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I've heard some women say that trans women make them not feel like women anymore.

Imagine being that weak and fragile that even sitting next to a trans woman makes you feel like you don't have a vag anymore. If I sat down next to a trans female, this doesn't mean I'm not female anymore. Imagine having a cisgender identity that is SO fragile that anything breaks you. Imagine being that weak, I could never be like that.

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Torsten · 36-40, M

constant clowns using the word "cisgender" to label normal men and women. Pathetic

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SatanBurger · 36-40, F

@Torsten Are the straights okay? Just checking.

Torsten · 36-40, M

@SatanBurger just find it sad how you all make gender and sexuality your whole identities nowadays and have to make up stupid labels to attach on others oh and of course cry and scream victim when people dont do along with those delusions

SatanBurger · 36-40, F

@Torsten Trans women ARE women, trans men ARE men. The only delusional one is you.

Torsten · 36-40, M

@SatanBurger wrong. Trans women are biological men living as women and vice versa with trans men.
I dont need to be told about gender and sexuality from people that dont even know what a woman is anymore

SatanBurger · 36-40, F

@Torsten In the original Jewish language there were six genders, which makes this conversation ironically amusing.

Torsten · 36-40, M

@SatanBurger haha yeah that must make it true. There are only two genders and that is all there ever will be. The rest are just made up labels people attach on themselves to try and make them feel special and unique. Male and female is all there is. Biology does not lie and feelings do not matter

SatanBurger · 36-40, F

@Torsten

I dont need to be told about gender and sexuality from people that dont even know what a woman is anymore

You missed the point but the anti LGBT crowd isn't known for their smarts. I'm not going to sit next to a trans female and then all of a sudden my boobs fall off and I'm not a female anymore. Cisgenders are the ones who don't know if they are female or not or otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation. They are the ones who first came out and said that they don't feel like women anymore dude, not me. I didn't say that about them, they said that about themselves.

You lot are way dense.

SatanBurger · 36-40, F

@Torsten

Male and female is all there is. Biology does not lie and feelings do not matter

The only emotional one is you, science disagrees with you but your argument is an emotional one attached to outdated concepts. There's way more that goes into biology and biologists disagree with you, quite literally. I mean like literally, they disagree with you, I'm not being metaphorical.

You keep saying biology biology biology but if you believed biology you'd support trans gendered people for that reason. So please think of any other reason than pretending you care about science. You don't care about science, you never did.

Your argument is pure emotional in all its glory, logic dictates looking into biology and what it says about trans people which I know for a fact, you're wrong.

Torsten · 36-40, M

@SatanBurger

You missed the point but the anti LGBT crowd isn't known for their smarts.

yet they are not the ones confused on what a male or female is. So they got you guys beat in the intelligence department

Cisgenders are the ones who don't know if they are female or not or otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation.

there is no such thing as "cisgender". just say women instead of attaching a stupid label and no women who sits next to a trans women starts to doubt if they themselves are a women due to that. Such a ridiculous claim to make

Maybe they are referring to people calling them "birth givers" or "people who menstruate" instead of calling them women because trans women get offended that they are not able to do that and find it offensive to call those able to do it women.
You are a female, why on earth are you defending this clown show?

SatanBurger · 36-40, F

@Torsten Women would include trans women, since they are women. I am specifically talking about cisgendered anti trans women, why would I generalize when I'm talking specifically?

You bigots really lack the ability to read.

Torsten · 36-40, M

@SatanBurger

You keep saying biology biology biology but if you believed biology you'd support trans gendered people for that reason. So please think of any other reason than pretending you care about science. You don't care about science, you never did.

being transgender has less to do with biology and more to do with mental illness. And before you screech and cry over that, Gender Dysphoria is a mental illness and you can not be transgender without it. When it comes to biology, they are still very much biologically male or female and transition to live as the opposite sex.
Biology is just proving my point here

SatanBurger · 36-40, F

@Torsten

You are a female, why on earth are you defending this clown show?

Maybe because my feelings aren't emotionally attached to my vagina?

SatanBurger · 36-40, F

@Torsten Trans is not a mental illness, any psychological association will tell you it's not a mental illness. There's been advancements made in neuroscience in that regard as to why it's not. Also there's the existence of intersex people since you know, you care for biology so much.

Torsten · 36-40, M

@SatanBurger gender dysmorphia is. I dont expect you to acknowledge facts. Facts are not your friend when you stand on the side you are

SatanBurger · 36-40, F

@Torsten I mean you DO care about facts right? 😆

https://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2016/im-xy-know-sex-determination-systems-101/

The fact that genetic sex can be directed by the flip of a single switch may be surprising. Sex is complex – but then again, there are a lot of other factors at play and, clearly, environment can have a big influence on how sex expresses itself. Additionally, there are many documented cases of humans with a genetic sex that appears “contrary” to their physical appearance. For instance, we know of genetically XX persons who have developed testes and external characteristics of men, and genetic XYs who develop as females. An example of the latter case occurs in Swyer Syndrome, often when there is a mutation in the SRY gene. While the rest of the Y chromosome is left intact, a malfunctioning SRY means that the male “switch” is never flipped, and the indifferent gonads do not get signals to become testes. Swyer Syndrome patients develop externally as female, but do not have ovaries and are infertile.

Finally, inheriting extra or too few chromosomes can considerably alter how sex manifests. Klinefelter is a common example, as well as Turner Syndrome (XO), where a sex chromosome is missing, often leading to developmental defects. Thus, all it takes is a small genetic change to turn SRY, or any of the genes it targets, on (or off).

Torsten · 36-40, M

@SatanBurger you can not change your biology. It is so engrained in your dna that it is impossible to change. You are either man or women and that is it. You keep mentioning science but when these trans people get dug out of the ground in say 100 years, their bones will be determine their biology and this trans crap wont be a factor what so ever.

You say trans women are women, well I ask you what is a women?

SatanBurger · 36-40, F

@Torsten Curious you know the cure for gender dysphoria right? All of the governing agencies agree that the best cure is to live as your preferred gender.

I mean you DO care for facts right?

SatanBurger · 36-40, F

@Torsten Intersex people, what are they to you, unicorns?

Torsten · 36-40, M

@SatanBurger there is no cure for it hence why even after sex reassignment surgeries trans people still commit suicide at a alarming rate

Torsten · 36-40, M

@SatanBurger people with birth defects

you havent answered what is a women?

SatanBurger · 36-40, F

@Torsten If intersex people exist, then it can't be true that there's only female or male.

you havent answered what is a women?

You may as well be asking "what is a human." There's no specific things that makes up a woman as everyone is different. We all come with our likes/dislikes, we all dress differently, we all have different colors we like or don't like, we all aspire to different careers.

What makes you a man? Being a hateful bigot?

Torsten · 36-40, M

@SatanBurger people are born with three hands and so on also. Would you consider them to be normal or a birth defect?

See you proved my point. You yourself dont even know what a women is. This is why people should not take anything you say on this subject seriously. Sorry but you are clueless

Torsten · 36-40, M

@SatanBurger being a adult male makes me a man. This is not complicated. I am no bigot either

SatanBurger · 36-40, F

@Torsten I don't consider intersex a birth defect, it's something that naturally happens just like the thousands of different things that come with biology.

You're missing the point, I literally don't care what a woman is or isn't. I LOVE myself, I don't have to prove that I am anything to anyone. You have everything to prove because you're thin skinned and weak, I don't have anything to prove. I know who I am, you don't know who you are which is why you fight so hard to prove you are something.

SatanBurger · 36-40, F

@Torsten A real male wouldn't need to prove themselves, both masculinity and femininity is a mindset, not a physical trait to hold.

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