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I Get Lost In My Thoughts Sometimes

Let’s make an effort to unite all of us humans.

Let’s put religions/relationships aside, culture, social stigmas, wealth, or any other category.

Let’s state undeniable facts that no matter WHO you are or how much money you have are self-evident.

We did not ask to exist as we are the product of the consequence of the action of two individuals we call our parents. Furthermore, something has to exist first before it can ask for anything. Therefore nothing asked to exist.

We did not choose or make our brain, body, or instincts. We did not choose or make the world and all it contains with its plants, animals, and people. We did not choose to have to destroy living things such as plants and animals to survive by eating them or building homes. We did not choose money, we have had to find a way to make money to survive, money is an agreed upon necessity that existed as a means to survival prior to us being born in this world. We did not choose the religion, culture, habits, norms, and ways of people that we were born INTO and had to be taught.

We have all been forced to adapt to this world through reward and punishment to manage to survive by being found pleasing, productive, and harmless. Should we not be found to be pleasing, productive, and harmless we are negatively labeled, sent to be “fixed”, locked up, or eliminated. This is a world where if you do what others want, they “love” you, but if you don’t do what others want they don’t want to be around you.

As humans there is no way to escape how our five senses seek that which they find more pleasurable and instinctively avoid what is displeasing.

Putting all of these points together we realize we have the same fears: painful consequences, and the same desires: To be acknowledged and find pleasure in survival.

This is an apathetic reality. A reality none of us chose. Where we all have been forced to adapt. Yet what can you and I do to make our human existence on Earth less apathetic and more humane? Even if all we can do is a slight shift towards empathy and understanding it is worth it. The challenge is that you and I must think of ways, however minuscule, to make that slight impact towards sincerity of heart and mutual acceptance.
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MartinTheFirst · 26-30, M
You say that but you do not act it.
Specialyouare · 31-35, F
MartinTheFirst · 26-30, M
@Specialyouare It was literally just a day ago when you put a wedge between us through stating your subjective parable of how Jesus is no different from an abusive husband threatening to kill themselves to keep their woman in place.
Specialyouare · 31-35, F
@MartinTheFirst I do not want to put a wedge between us.
MartinTheFirst · 26-30, M
@Specialyouare You undeniably did through making an highly offensive remark about something you do not support.
Specialyouare · 31-35, F
@MartinTheFirst I do not mean to be offensive. All I said is that Christianity is like a boyfriend cutting himself while telling his girlfriend he is taking the punishment she deserves for not doing what he wants. Jesus “committed suicide” except that being God he came back to life, he “died for our sins”. Why? To keep people WITH him. It is an accurate metaphor. If you found it offensive I sincerely apologize. I thought it would help those that have a similar point of view to mine feel less alone.
MartinTheFirst · 26-30, M
@Specialyouare The Bible never uses the word "Cross" originally. It's not necessarily a cross, it could just as well be a stake that Jesus was hanged on.

Jesus coming down to earth wasn't all about him dying. Like Mark Paul said earlier, he didn't want to be murdered. They captured him for doing God's will, put him on a corrupt trial, and then killed him. [quote]Mark 14:36 And he said: “Abba, Father, all things are possible for you; remove this cup from me. Yet, not what I want, but what you want.[/quote]

Jesus performed miracles such as healing and resurrection, he spread the word about God and taught people the truth yet to this day, 2000 years later. He learned what it is like being a human, and therefore has large sympathy for our faults and can therefore rightfully judge us. This, above all, is a very important part to reason of why Jesus lived as a human. [quote]Hebrews 4:14 Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold on to our public declaration of him. 15 For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tested in all respects as we have, but without sin.[/quote]

Notice how this is not in any shape or form similar to how an abusive man cuts or threatens a woman to kill himself if she leaves him. Please explain again, if you're still unsure, why you think it's accurate?

The entire parable is inherently offensive to any Christian. It's saying that Jesus, the son of God is an abusive and self-harming person.
Specialyouare · 31-35, F
@MartinTheFirst Thank you for taking the time to write what you’ve written.

I respect authority, and if that was God’s way to get people to pay attention and do what he wants I am not negatively labeling. All I’m saying is that someone is being hurt (Jesus- God made flesh) to take the punishment of those who can’t do what he wants- which is everybody, and those who accept this get the reward of an eternity without pain.

God can’t technically be destroyed, so I’m not saying he is self-harming, it seems manipulative. Seems. I am just a human with a limited outlook. I share my outlook, without the intention to offend, just introduce a new thought to ponder upon.

Ultimately my greatest thought towards Christianity is that we only love ourselves since we are siding with:
-The most powerful
- Reward of Heaven
- Avoidance of Hell

If talking about these subjects makes you feel uncomfortable we don’t have to talk about them. I still highly respect you as a person.
MarkPaul · 26-30, M
@MartinTheFirst It's starting to look more and more to me that the biggest critics seem to be the ones who make the least attempt to understand (or study) the true words of the Bible. It just seems human nature can be toxic.
MarkPaul · 26-30, M
@Specialyouare You don't get it! You are being offensive by choosing to remain ignorant. Your analogy makes zero (0) sense. It's one thing that you know nothing about Christianity or history. It's quite another that you choose to remain ignorant. And, that's offensive.
Specialyouare · 31-35, F
@MarkPaul At least I don’t use negative labels to describe others as you have done to me by using the word “ignorant”.
MarkPaul · 26-30, M
It's a valid word based on your own choice of action (or inaction).
Specialyouare · 31-35, F
@MarkPaul Thank you for your input. I value and respect your opinion despite the fact you have defined me through a negative label. But that is okay. To each their own.
MartinTheFirst · 26-30, M
@Specialyouare It is not about gaining attention. It is about saving people who themselves want to pay attention and do what's good. Jesus was hurt by humans, yes, however it was not a punishment that Jesus took. Jesus wasn't punished, for how can a perfect man be punished? What he did, however, was to live an entire life till death staying a perfect human being, without sin, and obedient. This is in the end what bought us back from death.

[quote]Romans 5:19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one person many will be made righteous.[/quote]

Notice how it doesn't say [i]through the punishment of Jesus many will be made righteous[/i], but it says "[i]through the obedience of the one person many will be made righteous[/i]".

I know of your limited outlook in this, and that's why i am helping you gain some more insight into it. I am not here to argue, I am here to make you understand why you're indeed saying something that's [i]wrong[/i].
Specialyouare · 31-35, F
@MartinTheFirst So you’re saying he wasn’t punished for our sins? What is the cross about then?

I’ll use your words to have a discussion.

What does “disobedient” or “sinner” mean? Not doing what God wants?

What does God want now? Believe in Jesus and humble your heart to the sovereignty of God.

If you do what God wants what do you get: A reward in Heaven.

If you don’t do what he wants: You get a punishment in hell.

It is still a bribe and threat situation that seems manipulative to me, no offense.
MarkPaul · 26-30, M
@MartinTheFirst I see now where I went off track. I need to be more self-disciplined instead of rejoicing in the argument. That's so hard for me to do though.
MartinTheFirst · 26-30, M
Like I said earlier, it wasn't necessarily a "cross". He absolutely was punished in the end by humans for spreading God's words, however it wasn't a punishment by God. Once again, you can not punish a man that's righteous. However, Jesus voluntarily died, since becoming a human (which is the importance of all of it) it also meant that he would have to die. The fact that he did God's will to the very end is what bought us back our freedom.

Sinning means to do something that breaks the law. The law is such as murder, taking something that is not yours, etc. Being disobedient is a broader term, and that'd be more like doing something that God doesn't want you to.

So in the end, you think that it's manipulative because 1# if you do good, you'll get good things. And 2# if you do bad, you'll get bad things.

I don't know mate, I've never seen that as manipulative. I see that as the general system of everything here in life. Especially humans cares a lot about [i]good & evil[/i], and our entire society is built upon reward-systems.
Specialyouare · 31-35, F
@MartinTheFirst Yes, I agree that apparently that is all I see in life if I take all of it and summarize it.

It’s like this:

Do what others WANT whether it is God or other people:
✅ They want you around and say they “love” you.

Don’t do what others WANT whether it is God or other people:
❌ They negatively label you, try to “fix” you, and if you can’t be “fixed” you are punished or done away with.

Now this is in regards to human beings and those of authority.

Let’s take a look at beings like 🌳🍃🌿 and 🐿🐓🐁🦓🐷🐄🐕🦃:

Although they are living creatures TO survive we destroy plants and animals without a care of the fact they they indeed can feel pain and satisfaction. But we brush it to the side and consider ourselves a “higher and more intelligent” species because some of us know how to build buildings. Personally I don’t know how to do anything other than the technology and ways we were taught by. I don’t know how to survive in the wild, in that sense an animal is more intelligent than me. Yet we outnumber them, so we win?


That is all life is huh friend? 😔
MartinTheFirst · 26-30, M
@Specialyouare That's good. I agree, life can be viewed the way you described in your latest response. Of course there's different takes on it. For an example, I don't believe we are above the animals because we are smarter, I believe that God gave us the right to be above them.
Specialyouare · 31-35, F
@MartinTheFirst Even if the highest authority figure said we are above them, and we comply, still they are living creatures that indeed can feel pain or pleasure nonetheless.

Do you find that us humans side with God out of convenience? That being the case, does that make for an obsolete relationship?

God is:
✅Greatest Authority, Highest Power
✅Grants protection, strength, brings blessings/favor.
✅ Accepting him equals heaven
✅ Protects from eternal hell
—————————————

Do we love God? Would we go after someone who is:
❌ Not the greatest authority and get no benefits from siding with
❌No protection, no incentive, could be possibly burdensome
❌ No reward
❌ No threat
——————————————

To know the answer to this question take a look at how we treat the people in our everyday lives. When they contradict us we feel that twinge inside, that 😠😡. When someone does or says what we don’t want we 😤. When someone is a potential threat we 🏃‍♀️. So who do we really love here then? Our elongated self-preservation with the least pain possible. Isn’t that right?
MartinTheFirst · 26-30, M
@Specialyouare The true test of loyalty is holding faith in God. Remember, it's still a faith and even though we have [i]hope[/i], we suffer great deals of pain, sometimes simply due to being christian. This is the test we go through and it certainly proves that we do not hold faith in God only because we want something from him or only because we are afraid of dying. We hold faith in him for numerous reasons, one being reasonable fear for the consequences, one being the promised benefits, and another one being love, with a lot more of reasons to follow.

This is actually the test the Devil put on Job. Satan thought Job would curse Jehovah if he was faced with setbacks and trouble. Job didn't though. Why? Because of love and respect for God.
Specialyouare · 31-35, F
Yes, but enduring pain on this earth for the greater pleasure of eternal self-preservation would still classify as doing something out of convenience, correct?
MartinTheFirst · 26-30, M
@Specialyouare Job didnt know of that promise. And you have no idea of unconvenient it is sometimes. But yes, it is the smarter choice out of the two
Specialyouare · 31-35, F
@MartinTheFirst Job knows that God is the greatest authority with the greatest power. You know how people like to be on good graces with their bosses or teachers.

I feel like we want something from these tip top authorities.

But then is that not genuine? Not love?


To say... “Yeah well I only ‘love’ or want you if you are (or in the process of being) pleasing, productive, or harmless to ME.”

Do think that is why no one in this world feel genuinely loved by anything? Just used IF we are moldable unto them?