Those kinds of people who think that about homeless are really entitled because if you've always had a home to go to, how would they know how it is? They don't know shit. It's always the entitled who believe such things like that.
There's a lot that think this way but they don't know what is like being homeless. It's tougher than people think. There's this common thing where people believe that you just walk into a govt office and demand free money or something. It's not like that at all. There's so many other things that go into it.
Also not all homeless people don't have jobs, you can have a job and be homeless. Sometimes rent is too expensive or hate to say it, addiction but they'll still be stable enough to work.
@SatanBurger I’m an entitled to what I worked to get and disciplined myself to achieve in the little I do have. Like I told @LordShadowfire I was homeless too before and I do know the struggle but it’s really mind over matter in many cases.
@Heavenlywarrior I didn't say you weren't entitled, I'm glad you got a place but you do sound like one of those people where you think your situation fits everyone else. I think because of how unknowing you seem to be around homeless issues, you weren't fully homeless at that point.
No gaps in employment history, you likely had an id with an address and likely had places to go and money for the bus, you likely knew how to make money too.
And who knows if you already had education before going homeless. I doubt you were like that like that.
You're not considering poor state resources and the different things that happen while homeless either. Most jobs won't even consider hiring you if there's significant gaps in employment let alone not having a physical address. Most jobs don't pay a living wage which is what the homeless would need and when apartments are 900 to 1000 or more and they'll likely only get hired for 15 hourly, they'll still be homeless
25% of homeless have jobs anyways, they just can't afford a place.
@SatanBurger if it was partially homeless it’s only because I was proactive and optimistic I willed my path into a better situation.
You are right everyone has their own circumstances.
[b]Whether they overcome the circumstances is entirely up to them, and them alone. Not the state, not the people around them, no one but them and them alone.[/b]
@Heavenlywarrior I'm glad I was right because you didn't deny it, you were partially homeless so you have no clue what people go thru. I knew by your attitude there's no way you were fully homeless.
@SatanBurger I love it when these people try to backtrack and say they didn't say something they clearly did, when there's a public record of what they wrote.
@Heavenlywarrior Seriously? You wrote the words. They are there in black and white. It isn't two or three thousand years after you wrote it. So explain to me how there can be multiple interpretations of what you just wrote.
@LordShadowfire yeah there was no denying it by them, they said "even if I did partially homeless it would have been because I was proactive."
So this tells me they had resources other's don't, it's literally in their words. For one, jobs do not like non employment gaps, for another no address ID which ID is required, for another drugs... not enough resources to get people off drugs, for another many homeless have jobs they can't afford housing... big difference. For another, if you're a felon yeah you made mistakes but you'll be paying for it forever since really good jobs don't hire ex felons and the jobs that they can get are very harsh and physical so not every person can do them.
For another homeless shelters. Had they been truly homeless they'd know the trap of homeless shelters. Don't even get me started.
Had they been truly homeless they'd know that not having money to go on a bus to get to a job interview in the first place is quite common and good luck walking your happy ass four hours across the city just to make it to an interview just for them to see about "other candidates."
So technically you need to interview several jobs which requires several days you need cash up front. If you're homeless and begging, good luck.
Many jobs don't pay enough anyways. Okay so yeah you got a job at McDonald's which would accept you but they pay 12 hourly in a city that has 2,000 monthly rent.
@SatanBurger with a Name like SatanBurger why would I expect you to put what I said verbatim…lol.
I guess you and @LordShadowfire saw something different that they said.
Here’s what I said.
“[b]if[/b] it was partially homeless it’s only because I was proactive and optimistic I willed my path into a better situation.”
I was homeless. But I was cut very short because I was proactive. I found gigs through apps on my phone with WiFi, worked those gigs throughout the day and sometimes overnight , made it to staying in extended stays which also was very expensive . Then finally able to rent through a private owner who cared about down payment instead of credit.
@Heavenlywarrior [quote]It's estimated anywhere from 25% to 60% of people experiencing homelessness across the country are employed. There's a range because it isn't a standard metric captured in all local homeless counts or at the federal level.
Details from a 2017 Axios article: "Josh Leopold, a researcher at the Urban Institute, said the percentage of homeless people who work may be close to 25%, maybe a little more. Megan Hustings, director of the National Coalition for the Homeless, suggested higher percentages — 40% to 60% of the homeless float in and out of both part- and full-time work, she said."[/quote]
[quote]The challenges of maintaining employment while homeless include finding a place to shower, rest, and meet transportation needs. Another contributing factor to being employed but still unhoused is the rising cost of housing. A 2021 report from the National Income Housing Coalition showed: "In no state, metropolitan area, or county in the U.S. can a worker earning the federal or prevailing state, or local minimum wage afford a modest two-bedroom rental home at fair market rent by working a standard 40-hour workweek."
Even with rising housing costs and increased income inequality, the belief that homeless people should pull themselves up by invisible bootstraps persists. So what's stopping them? In short, numerous barriers:
Gaps in employment Lack of permanent address, reliable phone Criminal record No identification card such as a birth certificate or driver's license Limited access to the internet to fill out an application "Clean" clothing/appearance Low credit score Disability Cost and access to transportation In addition to those barriers, being homeless is complex and demanding. Day-to-day survival is the singular focus, and there isn't much time or mental space to figure out how to thrive and get back on track. Daily challenges include:
Getting food and water Finding a bathroom to use Traveling to appointments such as meeting with a case manager Finding a safe place to sleep If you're not working, finding a public place to be that won't lead to arrest is a moving target. [/quote]
@Heavenlywarrior [quote]But I was cut very short because I was proactive. I found gigs through apps on my phone with WiFi, worked those gigs throughout the day and sometimes overnight , made it to staying in extended stays which also was very expensive . [/quote]
Gigs depend on a lot of things. If you're homeless but with a car well yeah you can do gigs. But as a gig worker myself, it depends on what you're doing, what education you have and geography.
I'm not even trying to be rude but I don't know how else to tell an entitled adult that they had resources where others don't, it's quite obvious.
@SatanBurger well… in another life they overcame their struggles and weren’t homeless hopefully they can forge a turn of events and no longer be homeless.
