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Keepitsimple · 51-55, F
Keepitsimple · 51-55, F
Women wanted few things though. Just to be able to work and get a salary like a man so they could help support the family. We wanted to be heard. I don't think men want to be women because of that...they just like pantyhose.
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Keepitsimple · 51-55, F
I don't be know what goes on in a man's mind. I mean if helping with the kids and things around the house has feminized them then that's on them. I most certainly don't want a man to treat me differently at work. In this day and age both sexes need to respect each other and help each other whether in the work place or home.
Boy have we hijacked this thread, lol.
I get what u are saying. I agree with a lot of what you said! Thanks for the chat!
Boy have we hijacked this thread, lol.
I get what u are saying. I agree with a lot of what you said! Thanks for the chat!
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
What's the matter with a giant restroom for everyone containing a lot of lockable floor to ceiling stalls, sinks and mirrors, automatic soap and automatic water and paper towels an outward pushing door or doors and two attendants male and female with appropriate training. Not every establishments has to have one. They can be conveniently located and available to all with hourly cleaning.
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Love it. Plus, while not optimum employment, it provides jobs, too!
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
@Oconnor: TYVM in addition it should provide all wifh cleaner nice restrooms. Notice with the auto soap and soap paper towels and outward opening doors I've minimized exiting with more germs than when entering. There could also be video displays with paid advertising. I like your jobs angle I hadn't considered that. Great idea!
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You seem to be working on a few assumptions here. One, that there are only two genders, male and female. Two, that they must be kept separated in a restroom environment, implying 3), seeing the opposite sex in the bathroom is somehow immoral or dangerous. Further, unless you're citing the "cooties" factor, there's implicit suggestion that this mixing of sexes will lead to crime, immoral behavior, lewd behavior or some otherwise unwanted action.
But there are more than two genders. Some identify as male, some as female, some as neither, some as the opposite sex, some as another thing altogether. Some want to dress like the other sex, some want to be the other sex. And let's be clear: unless this causes functionally problematic behavior for the individual, NONE of these things are considered disorders or otherwise not normal by the medical community.
Worried about pedophilia? Molesters don't need a bathroom or an excuse to do what they already do. They know no boundaries, so how could new ones be opened to them? Worried about rape? Rape is not a sex crime and it will occur regardless of whether 12 year-olds share the same bathroom.
There have been unisex restrooms forever. No one ever lost their mind from using one. Trump says this is a states' case, and that's a legally arguable point, but it's being done with the full knowledge that federal mandate was the only way to keep discrimination at bay. In striking down the provision, they once again open the door to intolerance and bigotry.
But there are more than two genders. Some identify as male, some as female, some as neither, some as the opposite sex, some as another thing altogether. Some want to dress like the other sex, some want to be the other sex. And let's be clear: unless this causes functionally problematic behavior for the individual, NONE of these things are considered disorders or otherwise not normal by the medical community.
Worried about pedophilia? Molesters don't need a bathroom or an excuse to do what they already do. They know no boundaries, so how could new ones be opened to them? Worried about rape? Rape is not a sex crime and it will occur regardless of whether 12 year-olds share the same bathroom.
There have been unisex restrooms forever. No one ever lost their mind from using one. Trump says this is a states' case, and that's a legally arguable point, but it's being done with the full knowledge that federal mandate was the only way to keep discrimination at bay. In striking down the provision, they once again open the door to intolerance and bigotry.
WeekendWarrior4 · 46-50, M
There is a very simple solution here, remove all the urinals from the boys/mens room and take down the signs signifying each gender and just leave them as open bathrooms. Once you're in your stall it is private and you can do whatever the hell it is that you want to do in that bathroom in that stall without the fear of peeping eyes. This takes everything out of the equation about a man's genitals being exposed at the urinal.
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Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
Lord help me ! I'm a nice, reasonably intelligent; very patient and understanding guy. But for the love of God none of what you said is either rational or logical.
"Why does society need more men that want to be women?"
Well society doesn't care less ! Society is made up of everybody ! All races; religions; and yes, genders !
Transexuals, for example are often very passive in nature and rarely aggressive. It's another trait but one which is ignored/overlooked. But that probably makes them very calm and rational in society.
"If society promoted masculinity...." Well we tried that for several generations and came up with types like the bullying sports teacher or the over-zealous drill instructor and look where that got us.
Battered wives; beaten children; alcohol problems; a collapse in the family unit and all the social problems related with it !
"Normalizing homosexuality and crossdressing isn't good for the future of humanity". Well, to be honest, you don't know that do you.
Has it occurred to you that many males may see crossdressing as merely a phase ? A Fetish ? Something they want to try. And when they're done they might stop.
Not every male who does it will continue to do it for the rest of their lives !
You also have to remember that many folk of either sex. Often say they identify as....but it's not necessarily a life long thing.
Why is it so important to be either gay; straight; Bi or any other definition ? And what's wrong with identifying however you like, whenever you like, anyway ?
I get that some folk feel threatened by this subject.
Especially if one of the identifying tags is a 'trigger' word either for somebody's experience or their perception of what that word means to them.
And i also get, that not everybody WANTS to know how anybody identifies !
But to dismiss it as wrong in some way is just daft !!
And with regard to your last two words. Paedophilia is abhorrent in Western culture. The idea is seen as morally indefensible ! A crime against children ! and is punishable by law. But to suggest that accepting other genders is a step away from normalizing EITHER Paedophilia OR Beastiality, at BEST, shows a flaw in your thinking.
"Why does society need more men that want to be women?"
Well society doesn't care less ! Society is made up of everybody ! All races; religions; and yes, genders !
Transexuals, for example are often very passive in nature and rarely aggressive. It's another trait but one which is ignored/overlooked. But that probably makes them very calm and rational in society.
"If society promoted masculinity...." Well we tried that for several generations and came up with types like the bullying sports teacher or the over-zealous drill instructor and look where that got us.
Battered wives; beaten children; alcohol problems; a collapse in the family unit and all the social problems related with it !
"Normalizing homosexuality and crossdressing isn't good for the future of humanity". Well, to be honest, you don't know that do you.
Has it occurred to you that many males may see crossdressing as merely a phase ? A Fetish ? Something they want to try. And when they're done they might stop.
Not every male who does it will continue to do it for the rest of their lives !
You also have to remember that many folk of either sex. Often say they identify as....but it's not necessarily a life long thing.
Why is it so important to be either gay; straight; Bi or any other definition ? And what's wrong with identifying however you like, whenever you like, anyway ?
I get that some folk feel threatened by this subject.
Especially if one of the identifying tags is a 'trigger' word either for somebody's experience or their perception of what that word means to them.
And i also get, that not everybody WANTS to know how anybody identifies !
But to dismiss it as wrong in some way is just daft !!
And with regard to your last two words. Paedophilia is abhorrent in Western culture. The idea is seen as morally indefensible ! A crime against children ! and is punishable by law. But to suggest that accepting other genders is a step away from normalizing EITHER Paedophilia OR Beastiality, at BEST, shows a flaw in your thinking.
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Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
For what it's worth, i don't know what to make of much of it either !
When you are at school you are just education fodder for schools.
They pack you into a classroom 36 deep, stick a poorly paid; over-worked; over-stressed adult in front of you for 7 hours and expect you to come out the other side a fully functioning adult !
It's also unfortunate that youngsters have to switch between discovering their individual, young adult selves and 'being the accepted norm' during their teens !
I suspect the idea behind gender recognition is probably a good one.
I mean anything that makes your teen years easier has to be a good thing, right ?
But i've no idea how you go about teaching that kind of thing to teens. ESPECIALLY when so many countries have a problem teaching basic 'Where do babies come from ? Sex-Ed !!
When you are at school you are just education fodder for schools.
They pack you into a classroom 36 deep, stick a poorly paid; over-worked; over-stressed adult in front of you for 7 hours and expect you to come out the other side a fully functioning adult !
It's also unfortunate that youngsters have to switch between discovering their individual, young adult selves and 'being the accepted norm' during their teens !
I suspect the idea behind gender recognition is probably a good one.
I mean anything that makes your teen years easier has to be a good thing, right ?
But i've no idea how you go about teaching that kind of thing to teens. ESPECIALLY when so many countries have a problem teaching basic 'Where do babies come from ? Sex-Ed !!
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
That whole argument was stupid.
Schools are so terrified of being sued. Either by parents who say the school refuses to acknowledge their childs perceived sexuality or by other parents saying their heterosexual child is being 'exposed' to things they don't want their child to acknowledge until they're.....30 !!!
Of course, common sense dictates that you just have 'BATHROOMS' that anyBODY can use and you kill all the fuss instantly !
But where's the political capital in THAT !
Schools are so terrified of being sued. Either by parents who say the school refuses to acknowledge their childs perceived sexuality or by other parents saying their heterosexual child is being 'exposed' to things they don't want their child to acknowledge until they're.....30 !!!
Of course, common sense dictates that you just have 'BATHROOMS' that anyBODY can use and you kill all the fuss instantly !
But where's the political capital in THAT !
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katielass · F
Well, now that Trump has reversed the illegal ORDER of herr obama, the states can choose how to handle the enormous number of trans peoples bathroom habits. And mark my words, when the shit hits the fa and females are raped because of pervs taking advantage and raping vulnerable women the always for equality for women media will not be reporting it. But we'll find out.
aradia11 · 61-69, F
Hasn't it always been.
Besides Jim Crow was extreme prejudice and suppressed minorities.
Besides Jim Crow was extreme prejudice and suppressed minorities.
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
Funny how quickly he changed his mind.