All the evolutionists
How do you explain the immense pleasure we get in procreational activities? To me, that sounds like a plan of the creator to populate the planet like perks for population.
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ElwoodBlues · M
Actually, evolution explains that perfectly! Those early mammals who, due to small variations in physiology or whatever, experienced more pleasure in procreation did so more rapidly, and came to dominate the population.
The explanation for the pleasures of procreation is similar to the explanation for the peacock's tail and other displays that carry a cost. Sexual preferences AKA sexual selection explain a whole bunch of behaviors and physical characteristics in nature.
You can read a lot more about sexual selection in the book [i]Why Is Sex Fun? The Evolution of Human Sexuality[/i] by Jared Diamond.
The explanation for the pleasures of procreation is similar to the explanation for the peacock's tail and other displays that carry a cost. Sexual preferences AKA sexual selection explain a whole bunch of behaviors and physical characteristics in nature.
You can read a lot more about sexual selection in the book [i]Why Is Sex Fun? The Evolution of Human Sexuality[/i] by Jared Diamond.
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HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@ElwoodBlues
Pleasure is a human responce to facilitate pair bonding. Human reproductive strategy requires pair bonding to have both parents raise the children.
Pleasure is a human responce to facilitate pair bonding. Human reproductive strategy requires pair bonding to have both parents raise the children.
ElwoodBlues · M
@HoraceGreenley Sure. The question is: how did that come about?
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@ElwoodBlues
Since I have a degree in biology I'll say it is an evolutionary response
Since I have a degree in biology I'll say it is an evolutionary response
Traingut · 41-45, M
@ElwoodBlues Evolution doesn't explain the Pleasure mechanism. Everything else is a propaganda.
ElwoodBlues · M
@Traingut Please define this "Pleasure mechanism."
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@GeniUs What's not exclusive to humans?
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@GeniUs What other examples can you provide?
GeniUs · 56-60, M
@HoraceGreenley I mean I'm not inside the animals brain so I can't say for sure but that animals copulate and I'm sure if it was a thing of burden then they wouldn't do it. Try taking a look on Youtube and if you'd like somebody to spoon feed you further you can pay for those services from your local care agency.
ElwoodBlues · M
@HoraceGreenley Pair bonding literature tells us that many animals have the same, dopamine, oxytocin, vasopressin, and endorphin neurotransmitters that are associated with reward, pleasure, and bonding in humans. And we do observe petting and grooming and similar "affectionate" behaviors in many species of animals that pair bond. So that amounts to pretty good evidence that pleasure and pair bonding evolved long before humanity.
BTW, Jared Diamond's book that I cited above devotes a fair number of pages to pair bonding and mating behaviors in birds and in primates if you're looking for accessible literature on the topic.
BTW, Jared Diamond's book that I cited above devotes a fair number of pages to pair bonding and mating behaviors in birds and in primates if you're looking for accessible literature on the topic.
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@GeniUs
Wow. Just wow. I can't believe you really said that.
I have a degree in biology. I've had courses on mammalian reproduction.
I was expecting more.
Wow. Just wow. I can't believe you really said that.
I have a degree in biology. I've had courses on mammalian reproduction.
I was expecting more.
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@ElwoodBlues sure...but humans are different
ElwoodBlues · M
@HoraceGreenley [quote]I have a degree in biology. I've had courses on mammalian reproduction. [/quote] So people should respect your expertise? The way you respect the expertise of climate researchers? [b]ROTFL!!![/b]
[quote]sure...but humans are different[/quote]
Wow. Just wow. I can't believe you really said that. I was expecting something at least coherent.
[quote]sure...but humans are different[/quote]
Wow. Just wow. I can't believe you really said that. I was expecting something at least coherent.
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@ElwoodBlues
I'm expecting better input. As for climate researchers, i don't have an axe to grind.
And humans are different in some basic ways with respect to this topic.
I'm waiting to see if anyone can tell me.
I'm expecting better input. As for climate researchers, i don't have an axe to grind.
And humans are different in some basic ways with respect to this topic.
I'm waiting to see if anyone can tell me.
ElwoodBlues · M
@HoraceGreenley [quote]As for climate researchers, i don't have an axe to grind.[/quote] You absolutely have an axe to grind - you accuse practically the whole field of being corrupt and publishing lies to get grant money!!
[quote]And humans are different in some basic ways with respect to this topic. [/quote] I say you're bluffing. Go ahead, prove me wrong.
[quote]And humans are different in some basic ways with respect to this topic. [/quote] I say you're bluffing. Go ahead, prove me wrong.
Spotpot · 41-45, M
@HoraceGreenley The bible is not a science Book and shouldent be taken as such.
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@ElwoodBlues
I don't make my living getting paid to do pseudoscience. I'm exposing what I see.
That's not the same thing.
Humans are different.
I don't make my living getting paid to do pseudoscience. I'm exposing what I see.
That's not the same thing.
Humans are different.
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@Spotpot When did I say that? Have you actually read my comments?
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@ElwoodBlues With the exception of dolphins and bonobos, only humans have sex for recreation.
Most mammals live solutary lives and have sex only for reproduction.
Dolphins and bonobos have recreational sex to facilitate social cohesion in their group.
Humans do it primarily for pair bonding. This fits in with the human reproductive strategy where both parents contribute to raising offspring and must do so for a long time. Human childhood is the longest in the animal kingdom.
Most mammals leave raising offspring to the mother only.
This is one of the things that makes human unique.
Most mammals live solutary lives and have sex only for reproduction.
Dolphins and bonobos have recreational sex to facilitate social cohesion in their group.
Humans do it primarily for pair bonding. This fits in with the human reproductive strategy where both parents contribute to raising offspring and must do so for a long time. Human childhood is the longest in the animal kingdom.
Most mammals leave raising offspring to the mother only.
This is one of the things that makes human unique.
ElwoodBlues · M
@HoraceGreenley [quote]Humans do it primarily for pair bonding.[/quote] LOL!!! When did you go to college???
Gibbons pair bond and groom for pleasure.
Macaques have sex for fun and pair bond.
Bonobos use sex for group bonding; very similar to pair bonding.
Chimpanzees are similar.
Pair bonding is quite common in the animal kingdom. There are 32 species of dolphins; many have sex for pleasure. Several primate species both pair bond and have sex for pleasure. Much of what we know about pleasure and bonding comes from studies of voles. Humans are not unique.
Gibbons pair bond and groom for pleasure.
Macaques have sex for fun and pair bond.
Bonobos use sex for group bonding; very similar to pair bonding.
Chimpanzees are similar.
Pair bonding is quite common in the animal kingdom. There are 32 species of dolphins; many have sex for pleasure. Several primate species both pair bond and have sex for pleasure. Much of what we know about pleasure and bonding comes from studies of voles. Humans are not unique.
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@ElwoodBlues
Sorry Charlie you're wrong. By the way that item I mentioned is also in Jared Diamond's book that you referenced.
Now there are other things about humans too.
Sorry Charlie you're wrong. By the way that item I mentioned is also in Jared Diamond's book that you referenced.
Now there are other things about humans too.
ElwoodBlues · M
@HoraceGreenley [quote]Sorry Charlie you're wrong.[/quote] I'm supposed to trust your "expertise"???
The way you trust the expertise of climate researchers? [b]ROTFL!!![/b]
The way you trust the expertise of climate researchers? [b]ROTFL!!![/b]
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@ElwoodBlues
You are missing the essential point that the reproductive strategies of these species are different.
You are missing the essential point that the reproductive strategies of these species are different.
Gloomy · F
@HoraceGreenley [quote]to have both parents raise the children.[/quote]
That's exclusively a cultural product
That's exclusively a cultural product
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