Something I don't understand about the bible

Yes, he knew man/woman would fail but he also had a plan to rescue them from themselves and thus help them become better humans.

One reason the fundamentalists/lieralists still cling to the "reality" of obviously mythical stories in the Bible is because of the words recorded of St Paul in Corinthians:-

"For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. ... "

No Adam, then.........

Fundamentalists realise that if you let the "reality" of the various stories go then the whole house of cards comes falling down.

In fact, if you read the books of those such as Karen Armstrong, it is apparent the authors/compilers of the OT never intended those early stories to be taken literally.

And recognising them as myth in fact does not bring any house down apart from that of the theologies of absurdity.

Sadly, the claim is often made by the Fundamentalists that they are going back to how the Bible was always understood. Literally. This is a fallacy. Such literalism is in fact a modernism, born of mass literacy and the printing press. The Catholic Church, for all its faults, was nevertheless fully aware of just what would happen if the Bible was put into the hands of untutored people.

Again, sadly, though these believers often insist that they are the true christians and decry the lack of faith of others, their teachings more often than not simply drives people away.

Just part of another creation myth.

Joseph Campbell is one author who knows his stuff as far as the "meanings" of all the world's various creation myths are concerned, the similarities, correspondences and differences.

Treating them as actual history will always end in virtual nonsense and contradiction.

[quote]God told Adam that the day he eats from that tree, he will surely die. But Adam did not die the day he ate the tree. He was just banned from Eden and was forced to live a harder life. He may have lost his immortality, but he didn't die for a long time later. So if God told Adam he would die the day he ate the apple, but than Adam didn't die. Wouldn't that mean God told Adam a lie? [/quote]

Basic assumption you have is that you are thinking a day is a earth day comprising 24 hours..

Adam died at the age of 930 years..

The Bible says::
2 Peter 3:8 "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, [big]that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day[/big]."

So Gods day is not the same as an earth.. this can be even seen in the story of creation.. God worked for a number of""[quote]Days[/quote]"" before on the third day He created the first earth day..

(Genesis 1:16-19) "And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. {17} And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, {18} And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. {19} [big]And the evening and the morning were the fourth day[/big]."

So the first earth day was created on the fourth "[big]day[/big]" of creation.. Therefore the days of creation could not have been earth days..

[quote]Also, if God knows all and sees all, as people who believe the bible is God's complete word believe, didn't he know the serpent would successfully trick Eve and Adam into eating the apple?[/quote]

Yes He did foreknow.. But He also foreknew how He would overcome satans sabotage through the Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ.. God gave satan enough rope to hang himself.. satan was trapped in his own cunning.. So that by demonstration God could put to an end satans claim to Godhood.. satans claim that God was unjustified to be the One and Only God of all existence..

[quote]If he really didn't want them to eat from it, why didn't he simply block entry to it?
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Because if you want to create beings who can decide to have a genuine relationship with you.. You need to give them the ability to reject a relationship with you.. Otherwise your just creating automated Zombies who cannot choose.. Therefore God must indeed value beings with the ability to make genuine choices..

[quote]Why did he allow a cunning creature that he knew would successfully tempt them into eating the tree,[/quote]

To catch that cunning creature in their own free willed evil deed.. to demonstrate to all the other angels why satan was unjustified in being a god equal with God..

I do believe in God, and I do believe he sent Jesus to teach us and die for us. But that's about all in the bible that I know for sure is true. I'm sure there is a lot of other truths in there, just seems like stuff was added or removed from it. We're not getting the whole story. Even with Jesus I feel there's a lot we don't know/understand. No matter how much you can say the bible was 100 percent God inspired, I don't know if there's a way you can prove that without reading from the scriptures.

Yep.. The Old Testament god was rather a perverse pr*ck..😷

In Genesis Adam is a real jerk to Eve. They eat the apple, God comes down to Eden all angry, says who ate the apple? Adam immediately rats out Eve, "She did! OK I did too, but it's all her fault. You used her wiles to beguile me."

Adam and Eve both get kicked out of Garden of Eden, and God locks the door behind them. Eden is forever guarded by an Angel with a flaming sword. Because of their sin all women have to give birth in blood and pain. Genesis 3:16: " I will make your pains in child birthing very severe, with painful labor will you give birth to children." That seems very unfair to me. The God of the Old Testament was really mean.

@Sweetguy024 There is no verse that says that Adam and Eve ate apples.

Yeah. Adam didn't know that it would be evil to eat from the tree until HE ATE FROM THE TREE! The whole story is illogical bullshit.

I see it too and inevitably we all knew it would happen. A setup really. It was the only apple left.

Time is relative. Yes humanity died when they sinned in the garden of Eden! If they hadn't sinned they would have never died. It would be like heaven. When Jesus comes to make a new heaven and a new earth we will never die.

And God had it ll planned out from the beginning.

There are passages that say a 1000 years is equal to a day, and he died just short of a 1000 years.

this is ancient hebrew poetry translated...not to be taken literally.

Don't try to make sense of it.

[quote]God told Adam that the day he eats from that tree, he will surely die. But Adam did not die the day he ate the tree.[/quote]
Christian apologists (no, that doesn't mean people who apologize for being Christian) love to twist that one. They insist God was speaking metaphorically or in parables or whatever, because they can't handle the simple fact that he said something that wasn't true. Usually, the argument they use is something about another Bible verse that says that to God, a thousand years are as a day.
[quote]Almost seems like it was God's plan all along to have them eat from the tree.[/quote]
This is what I've been arguing for years. Reverse psychology. "Whatever you do, don't eat the delicious fruit from this tree right here in the middle of the garden. Now I'm going for a walk, and I won't be able to see what you're up to. Doot de doot de doo..."

If you've got a few minutes, this video hilariously explores the question of what would have happened if Adam and Eve [i]hadn't[/i] eaten the fruit.
https://youtu.be/A_a6RjR_AHY?si=MnPRuk-1W4VoHsM5

And that's how you know it is a false god of a false religion. And that is just ONE plot hole of many.

In the original story it was the serpent who was the hero and that gave humanity the power of the gods but yahweh in his fear and jealousy took away the tree of life so humans would at least not become full Gods.

[quote]Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever...”[/quote]

This parallels many other thief/trickster gods all over the world, not just local cultures. In cultures the world over stealing from the other gods and giving to humanity such as fire/light by Prometheus and The Native American Raven are common motifs.

Also the neolithic culture of Dilmun which is the origin of the story, were worshipers of serpents, going so far as to bury them with their dead. But the ancient Hebrews in stealing almost everything including Yahweh from the Edomite tribe, the panatheon from the Canaanites, Noah's ark from the epic of Gilgamesh, also stole the creation story from the mythological golden age of the Dilmun cultures.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1600-0471.2007.00277.x

https://ngwa.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/gwat.12214#:~:text=In%20the%20Gilgamesh%20epic%20Dilmun,taking%20place%20in%20the%20region.

So the ancient Hebrews in stealing from their enemies turn the hero and villains around and made the bad guy the good guy and the good guy the bad guy. After all the enemy of my enemy must be my friend.

So having inconsistent plot holes is completely normal when the story was stolen and twisted to fit a socio/politico/religious agenda. And again this is only ONE hole out of mannny holes in the bible.

It is not a perfect book, not the word of anything you should consider a god and it is far from being a moral guide on anything.