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Coming from the Pope, I was surprised at a couple of statements he made.

Even Popes can make blunders, but being he is loved by so many and has a huge following, I would think he would choose his words very carefully, as he is responsible to the Lord, for what he teaches people:

POPE SPEAKING:
"Just as the believer is choked by the salt water of doubt constantly washed into his mouth by the ocean of uncertainty, so the non-believer is troubled by doubts about his unbelief, about the real totality of the world, which he has made up his mind to explain as a self-contained whole. "

Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI in his book "Introduction to Christianity" (1968).

[b][b]He then goes on to say, "Believers are always threatened by the plunge into the void." [/b]The Pope does not know each and every person's heart, so to assume he does, then add that "believers are [b]always[/b] threatened by the plunge into the void."[/b], would be inaccurate. It also doesn't speak well for his "faith". Further, his words could invoke doubt that although one may be a Christian, they will actually never be completely sure of their security in Christ, for salvation.

Even Christ did not teach that. I find that to be a terrible testimony, given it comes from a Pope. The Bible teaches that the security of the believers faith in Christ and salvation, rests not in our ability to keep [u]ourselves[/u] saved, but in [b]God's[/b] ability to keep us saved, safe, and secure in His promises.

I think that's one reason Jesus used the phrase, "Oh ye of little faith."

There's nothing wrong with doubt. Doubt only becomes a sin, when we are excessively consumed with fear or worry. So much so, that it overrides our faith and then we begin to disbelieve God can or will, answer our prayers. It actually hurts God's heart that we won't believe him, as he wants to do so much for us and help us, out of the love in his heart for his creation. [i]Excessive[/i] worry, eventually cancels out the faith you were exercising at the time you prayed for help, then halts the permission you had given God, to start working on your behalf to solve the problem. God's ability to help us is based on, and activated by our faith, through His grace, just as a car can go nowhere, without gas.

It is not a sin to doubt. It only becomes a sin when that doubt crosses over into fear and unbelief. God cannot work, absent our faith.

On the other hand, fear and doubt can also work on our behalf. When we become fearful and doubt that help is on its way from the Lord, that gets us searching for answers and in doing so, return to God's Word for the solution/remedy. Once the answer is found, that not only builds our faith, but restores it. As a result, doubt is tossed out the door and replaced with the assurance that God keeps his promises, hears and answers our prayers, and shall never abandon us. As believers, we can either believe and receive, or doubt and do without.

"Thou will keep him in [b]perfect peace[/b], whose mind is [b]stayed/focused[/b] on Him, because he trusts in Him." [Isaiah 26:3].

Trust means, we are placing all our faith and trust in the Lord, believing He will keep His Word and promises to us, without fail.

If what the Pope claimed was true, there would be no hope or security in Christ. Combine God's grace with our faith, and miracles are possible. Jesus didn't say we [b]might[/b] have eternal life. He said if we believe, we [b]shall[/b] inherit eternal life in heaven, with our Heavenly Father.

There is no fear in perfect love, and God's love is perfect. That's why Christians [b]never[/b] have to feel insecure or threatened by death or the afterlife. They shall [u]never[/u] be plunged into the void, upon death. For [u]nothing[/u] can separate us from the love of God or his promise of Heaven. Romans 8:31-39 Instead, the second they step into eternity, they'll be greeted and accompanied by Angels, till they reach Heaven's door.

@kentex35 Though I may not agree with some of what you said, I certainly appreciate your feedback and contribution.

I certainly understand what the pope said, but let's reiterate, to be fair. The "every single person" part you spoke of, is not what concerned me. Other things did, as he was spreading gossip and lying about what Christians believe. I didn't like that representation. I'm not in the group he spoke of and I felt he was giving Christians a bad name and that's serious, when coming from the Pope. I don't fall in the category he mentioned and I don't feel true Christians, do either. He just cannot assume that "Believers are always threatened by the plunge into the void." Again, I don't want to be in that category and I don't belong in it. I also don't like him speaking for me and telling people that "Believers are [b]always[/b]threatened by the plunge into the void." The key words here, being [u]Believers[/u] and [u]always[/u].

Notice how awful those labels sound, when we switch those around, and say that "The [b]Pope[/b] is [b]always[/b] threatened by the plunge into the void." He didn't leave anything to the imagination there, see what I mean? He just flat out spoke it as [b]fact[/b]. I don't know about the pope, but I can go so far as to say I don't know any genuine Christians who always feel threatened, for one thing. Then another, is that he says Believers always feel "threatened by the plunge into the void." He cannot speak for me or other Christians. I don't want to be labeled like that because that is not true of me and other Christians I know and therefore it feels like an attack and it feels like he may have something against some Christians because he's flat out lying when he says those things. I'm not angry or upset, I just don't feel it's fair to assume those two things and then to lie to the public about them. Christians get attacked enough without his help. And I don't know about him but I'm not afraid of dying or facing eternity. He acts like we can never feel secure in our faith and we are just weak little Christians wondering what we'll face on the other side, and that's definitely untrue. I honestly don't know why he would make such statements. And then present them as fact. You said you felt like I took it to literally, well who wouldn't? When he puts it that way. Not every Christian is weak or always doubting and certainly we are not afraid to face eternity because we know and have the assurance and Security in Christ of knowing that we shall meet the angels on the other side, who will carry us to heaven. That's a far cry from the way he describes us and why he chose us instead of another denomination, makes me wonder as well. We are not weak, fragile little Christians afraid of every little thing. Our Hope and security is in Christ and there's no fear there because there is no fear in perfect love and Christ is perfect love. I just didn't appreciate his statements and when we turn that around maybe you can see why. I don't think he would have liked Christians labeling him like that. In other words, he doesn't get to speak for me or on my behalf when he doesn't even know me and he makes the mistake of stating it as fact, not in generalization. He also did not speak "in general".

2nd Point: I'm not sure where you got the idea that I said: "And as you said non believers sometimes question if they are doing right by denying faith."

I never said that at all. Not one word of it. You must be careful about putting words in my mouth that I didn't say and recheck things before you quote them. Please point out where I said that. I mean that's just something I wouldn't say.
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@kentex35 I double checked and now I see where you thought I said non-believers are plagued with doubt I think that's what you said. However if you will recheck my post, it was not I that stated that. That's terrible. That statement was made by the Pope and I put that in quotes, so all would know. Here it is:

POPE SPEAKING...
"Just as the believer is choked by the salt water of doubt constantly washed into his mouth by the ocean of uncertainty, so [b]the non-believer is troubled by doubts about his unbelief[/b], about the real totality of the world, which he has made up his mind to explain as a self-contained whole. "

Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI in his book "Introduction to Christianity" (1968).
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As a Catholic, I don’t put much faith ( no pun intended) into him or support for this man. He laments the poor and espouses that they should be helped. When the Vatican opens its coffers and gives up its vast wealth to help the poor, then come talk to me.
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
@soar2newhighs I remember a few decades ago, I think it was 1980 when Italy had a strong earthquake. There was a lot of news coverage about it and people were urged to donate to
a relief fund and a lot of money and goods were donated. But there was never a mention of the Vatican helping those earthquake victims even though it was right in their backyard. Showed me how much they cared for the people
@cherokeepatti That is so sad. Well guess what. Years ago mean the kids were driving down the main road in town and just got in front of the Catholic Church where people had just gotten out of church and were standing all over, and some lady plowed right into me in the side of my car and then left. Not one of those people in that group came to see if me and the kids were okay. Oh they all gawked, but not one person out of a crowd of at least 30, came to see if we were okay. I couldn't believe it and they called themselves Christians.
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
@LadyGrace not an iota of concern, that is so sad
fakable · T
i once saw a gate like that. Behind it a ship was sailing on the cloudy waves.
@fakable Wow!! How awesome!
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
The pope can be catholic or Christian or both. Frankie the present one is neither catholic nor Christian. The guy before him is catholic.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@LadyGrace Not all catholics follow Christ. They worship Mary and the saints. Jesus in their view is angry with them. The death of Christ is not sufficient for them and they must spend time in purgatory.
@hippyjoe1955 I really can't say but I know when confronted they always say we don't worship Mary. But I have seen differently, I must admit. Not criticizing I'm just saying. I see your point.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@LadyGrace Yeah I am going more on what those who left the catholic church say as well as my very limited experience in that church. My brother in law and oldest sister attend the catholic church and they are very devout Christians. My second oldest son became Orthodox because he found his Christian experience most fulfilled in the ancient church. I remain anabaptist/evangelical because I find it to be the most faithful to the teachings of Christ and the Bible. No it is not perfect but it is closer.
FreestyleArt · 31-35, M
Sorry I was way off subject.
@FreestyleArt that's no problem sweetheart
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Leviticus 21:18-21

"For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded, Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken. No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the Lord made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God."

Translation: All people who are not physically and aesthetically fit are going to burn in hell.

Do you, LadyGrace, or do you not condone this statement?
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@Slade I didn't want to hurt your feelings. I tried to be nice about it but you just wouldn't let it go, would you. I know I'm beautiful and fascinating but you have to learn what No means.
@SW-User I don't allow this type language on my post you could have posted this person personally.
@SW-User No. You have trolled me many times yourself so don't lie. I'm done with you. All your nasty remarks Etc.

 
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