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Hey christians! Let's get this straight: [Spirituality & Religion]

When debating whether or not god exists, the burden of proof is on you to show that god exists.
It is not up to atheists to prove that god DOESN'T exist any more than it is on you to prove that leprechauns don't exist.
SW-User
Why do you single out Christians?
MetalGreymon · 36-40, M
@puck61:

"the burden is on you"

Then we agree. And therefor we can agree who bears the burden of proof for the claim that god exists.
@MetalGreymon: Yeah, but this how humanity works.
Mr X says there is a God, and convinces a bunch of other people that there is a God. They read their bible and go to church and conquer their nations and grow their religion.
Mr. B says there is no God and convinces a much smaller number that there is no god and they do their thing.
Historically though, if Mr B causes too much trouble, then Mr X and his bunch deal with Mr B and his bunch like poor John Barleycorn!
Down here in my neck of the woods, Mr B used the legal system to have a cross removed from a local park, and outraged some 250,000 plus friends of Mr X. Well, Mr B succeeded in ruining his life and outraging a bunch of people. What is the point? Why bother?
MetalGreymon · 36-40, M
@puck61:

What is the point? Why bother?

Irrelevant to the debate
SW-User
Why debate about it all? You believe your way and I believe my way. I don't care that you don't believe in God.
MetalGreymon · 36-40, M
@TearDropsOfLove:

ok
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I'd like to point out several errors here:

First, we don't dwell on upsetting one specific faith. This is an error of both tact and proper overview.

Second, burden of proof for the believer is not to show the existence of God. It's to show the existence of heaven. And the need to supply this proof never comes into play.

Third, the skeptic also has an onus to prove, and this is apart from burden of proof. It's to construct a deductive argument showing sole correctness and advantage in disbelieving we continue past death by any means.
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@Stereoguy: Thank you. I've studied this topic in depth.
MetalGreymon · 36-40, M
@Peekaboo:

Then can you give me a little more than "trust me" and "look it up yourself" ?
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Well... im not christian but i hope i am welcome to respond :P From my understanding there are different levels of belief, depending on the person's level of intelligence. E.g. some people believe there is a man called god, who is on some cloud somewhere in the sky... and well idk what he does there. So thats a superficial level.

When you go a bit deeper into scriptures is when things get interesting, where you realise most of them speak of the human attitude etc. Its a long answer, but in short, I dont think you would get mathematical proof anytime soon :P
MetalGreymon · 36-40, M
@kkergo:

No i don't think any concrete proof will be showing up
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Why should they prove you anything? .......SIGH
MetalGreymon · 36-40, M
@Calipri:

They only need to prove it if they're claiming that the existence of god is a fact
StormyLynn · 26-30, F
From what I've seen, it is typically the Athiest that first makes the claim that God doesn't exist. That means that the Atheist must prove his claim.
MetalGreymon · 36-40, M
@StormyLynn:

Even then it is not.
If i make the claim that leprechauns don't exist, i am making that claim based on the fact that there is no evidence to suppose that they do.
It is not on me to prove that they don't exist.
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Hopefully this will help in making debates more intellectually exciting in the future ....:)
MetalGreymon · 36-40, M
@ArrnArr:

almost certainly not lol
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@MetalGreymon: haha, good try though ^_^
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MetalGreymon · 36-40, M
@Peekaboo:

So what would a deductive argument in this context look like?
I find that the evidence to suppose god exists is uncompelling. How do i format that into a deductive argument?
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@MetalGreymon: The first step is to generate belief classifications. The second step is to construct a grid depicting bias and work. The third step is to place beliefs on the grid.
MetalGreymon · 36-40, M
@Peekaboo:

lol i'm sorry. You're talking over my head.
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MetalGreymon · 36-40, M
@insextra:

I can't!
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MetalGreymon · 36-40, M
@insextra:

make me😉

 
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