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Sound Doctrine In Science

2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. 2 Timothy 4:2-4

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Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away. Matthew 24:35
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LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
"If you took all the works of fiction and holy books and destroyed them, in a 1000 years they would still be gone. But if you took all the works of science, in a 1000 years they would have all come back. Because all the tests would bear the same results." - Ricky Gervais
@LordShadowfire I’d replace the first sentence with all magical thinking claims. For example, astrology couldn’t be the same. But no doubt something else will be made up to take its place.

We’re still pattern seeking creatures that can be easily fooled. Science is about methodology.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@BlueSkyKing I was just quoting Ricky.

You seem to have a particular grudge against astrology, and I'm curious as to why. For me, at best it's accurate, and at worst it's harmless. It's not like there are astrologers in the federal government passing laws to make life harder for me. That's my main beef with Christianity.
@LordShadowfire I have a particular problem with divination of all kinds, astrology is just the most popular. It supports an intelligent designer universe. Which created our solar system just to program our personality. Over in India, astrology has been declared a science. Not by scientists, the national government. Also bear in mind, India's version of astrology isn’t like the one you embrace. Like Christianity, no consistency exists.

No one in astrology simply is willing to show it works and how it works. Let alone which version. So other than confirmation bias and selective thinking, I don’t understand how it shows accuracy.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@BlueSkyKing
...like the one you embrace...
I wasn't aware that calling it accurate at best and harmless at worst was embracing it. More of those hard facts of yours?
It supports an intelligent designer universe. Which created our solar system just to program our personality.
Not necessarily. We see in nature complex systems that began as very simple ones. The evolution of ants and other hive-minded insects comes to mind. But honestly, IF astrology works, it isn't because of the positions of giant balls of gas in the galaxy, but rather based on the exact time, date, and location where people were born.

But I'm willing to bet you'll ignore the word if in that sentence.
@LordShadowfire Astrology wasn’t originally used to predict personality. That came in modern times.

The actual beginnings of astrology are lost in history. From the Old Babylonian period (1800-1700 B.C.) we have the first records of attempts to correlate such simple, basic problems as famine, death, or war with the positions of the stars and planets. These records were kept over a wide range of territory, from what is now Turkey to Iraq and Iran. The “Venus Tablets of Ammisaduqa,” recording the motions of the planet Venus, were themselves copies of earlier observations made in the time of King Ammisaduqa, tenth ruler of the First Dynasty of Babylon, circa 1626 B.C.

Astrology was, in its beginnings, a genuine search for knowledge — an attempt to find, in the configurations of the stars and planets, some meaning for humans that might enable them to ascertain something about the future, as if that future were written, obscurely but gloriously, in the heavenly patterns that nightly present themselves to observers.

Only five planets — Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn — were known to the early observers. Since they were named after gods and were believed to represent the actual bodies of the gods, the movements of those objects against the background of mythical figures represented by the constellations seemed important. It was that relationship of god to “sign” that was the basis for the notion that the fortunes of humanity were to be found by examining the night skies.

John Maddox, editor of the science journal Nature, has commented on astrology as it was dealt with in his publication:
". . . one of the things we have published on astrology a few years back was a very carefully done study in California with the collaboration of 28 astrologers from the San Francisco area and lots of subjects — 118 of them altogether — and lunar charts were made by the astrologers. It turned out that the people couldn't recognize their own charts any more accurately than by chance. . . . and that seems to me to be a perfectly convincing and lasting demonstration of how well this thing works in practice. My regret is that there's so many intelligent, able people wasting their time and, might I say, taking other people's money, in this hopeless cause."

(Maddox was referring to the project of Dr. Shawn Carlson of San Diego, which tested astrology and was reported in Nature.)
GodSpeed63 · 70-79, M
@LordShadowfire @BlueSkyKing
"If you took all the works of fiction and holy books and destroyed them, in a 1000 years they would still be gone. But if you took all the works of science, in a 1000 years they would have all come back. Because all the tests would bear the same results." - Ricky Gervais

God's Word is final.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@GodSpeed63
God's Word is final.
I wouldn't know. He hasn't written any.
If you want truth, test. Truth demands to be tested.
GodSpeed63 · 70-79, M
@BlueSkyKing
I wouldn't know. He hasn't written any.

Sure He has, you just don't want to recognize it as His Word.
GodSpeed63 · 70-79, M
@BlueSkyKing
If you want truth, test. Truth demands to be tested.

His Truth Has been tested and approved, you just don't want to recognize it.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@GodSpeed63 Well, that's certainly convenient that it's already been proven, so you don't have to provide any evidence for your constant positive assertions.
GodSpeed63 · 70-79, M
@LordShadowfire
Well, that's certainly convenient that it's already been proven, so you don't have to provide any evidence for your constant positive assertions.

No, but you do since you insist that God doesn't live or that His Word is not true.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@GodSpeed63 Okay. I'll tell you what. If you can prove that Farblesnozz doesn't exist and that Yahweh isn't the evil Mayor Gangleslotte in disguise, I'll use your same technique to prove that God doesn't exist.
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