ElwoodBlues · M
I believe the Earth is FAR older than the Biblical 6000 years, and here is my evidence!!
Visit any limestone cave. Stalactites grow at a rate of about 1mm per 10 years. So a 10 meter stalactite has been growing about 100,000 years. And close examination of cross sections shows the year by year layering (where rainfall is seasonal). These stalactites can be found all over the world. The ages are corroborated by radiometric carbon dating.
Tree rings are clocks. The oldest living tree goes back about 4800 years. But wood from dead trees can contain records of volcanic events, thus extending the record back much farther.
Seasonal snowfall on glaciers accumulates to form countable layers. Greenland ice sheet layers can be counted back about 110,000 years. The ages are corroborated by radiometric dating. Other glaciers go back as far as 700,000 years, but on those the older data is mostly radiometric dating.
Salt flows from rocks into lakes and the ocean. If no salt left the ocean, that would give an age of 50 million to 70 million years. However, various geologic processes cause salt to leave the ocean at about the rate it's entering, so 50 million to 70 million years becomes a minimum estimate of the age of the earth.
Layering of sedimentary rocks - such as in the Grand Canyon - forms a series of clocks. These layers correspond to different stages in the evolution of life on the planet. The layers can be dated by positional order (bottom layer formed first), sedimentation rate, age of fossils found in the layer, and of course, radiometric dating. There are five main isotope pairs used for dating sedimentary rocks as well as the 'fissile track' method; you can read about it all here:
https://australian.museum/learn/minerals/shaping-earth/radioactive-dating/
Then there's all the fossils of extinct animals found in the rock layers. They're not exactly a clock, but they are an indicator of the vast amounts of time over which evolution occurs.
Of course outer space offers many clocks. Accumulation of craters on airless bodies like the Moon forms a clock. Shells of glowing gas left over from novas and supernovas form clocks (the Lambda Orionis Ring is about 1 million years old). The redshift of light from galaxies billions of light years away form clocks. The Hubble expansion of the universe forms a clock. The frequency shift of big bang radiation to form the cosmic microwave background is a clock.
No one clock is perfect, but they all corroborate each other pretty well, and they ALL give life FAR MORE than 6000 years to evolve.
If you argue "God hid those dinosaur bones (and all the isotopes used for dating) in the rocks" I can't disprove it. If you argue "God built all those layers into the glaciers and into stalactites, made the nova remnants appear millions of years old, etc." I can't disprove it. But you've got to ask yourself, why would God put all these inter-corroborating clocks all over the Earth and all thru the galaxy if they were all false???
Visit any limestone cave. Stalactites grow at a rate of about 1mm per 10 years. So a 10 meter stalactite has been growing about 100,000 years. And close examination of cross sections shows the year by year layering (where rainfall is seasonal). These stalactites can be found all over the world. The ages are corroborated by radiometric carbon dating.
Tree rings are clocks. The oldest living tree goes back about 4800 years. But wood from dead trees can contain records of volcanic events, thus extending the record back much farther.
Originally developed for climate science, the method is now an invaluable tool for archaeologists, who can track up to 13,000 years of history using tree ring chronologies for over 4,000 sites on six continents.
The ages are corroborated by radiometric carbon dating (establishing age by measuring ratios of radioactive vs stable isotopes).Seasonal snowfall on glaciers accumulates to form countable layers. Greenland ice sheet layers can be counted back about 110,000 years. The ages are corroborated by radiometric dating. Other glaciers go back as far as 700,000 years, but on those the older data is mostly radiometric dating.
Salt flows from rocks into lakes and the ocean. If no salt left the ocean, that would give an age of 50 million to 70 million years. However, various geologic processes cause salt to leave the ocean at about the rate it's entering, so 50 million to 70 million years becomes a minimum estimate of the age of the earth.
Layering of sedimentary rocks - such as in the Grand Canyon - forms a series of clocks. These layers correspond to different stages in the evolution of life on the planet. The layers can be dated by positional order (bottom layer formed first), sedimentation rate, age of fossils found in the layer, and of course, radiometric dating. There are five main isotope pairs used for dating sedimentary rocks as well as the 'fissile track' method; you can read about it all here:
https://australian.museum/learn/minerals/shaping-earth/radioactive-dating/
Then there's all the fossils of extinct animals found in the rock layers. They're not exactly a clock, but they are an indicator of the vast amounts of time over which evolution occurs.
Of course outer space offers many clocks. Accumulation of craters on airless bodies like the Moon forms a clock. Shells of glowing gas left over from novas and supernovas form clocks (the Lambda Orionis Ring is about 1 million years old). The redshift of light from galaxies billions of light years away form clocks. The Hubble expansion of the universe forms a clock. The frequency shift of big bang radiation to form the cosmic microwave background is a clock.
No one clock is perfect, but they all corroborate each other pretty well, and they ALL give life FAR MORE than 6000 years to evolve.
If you argue "God hid those dinosaur bones (and all the isotopes used for dating) in the rocks" I can't disprove it. If you argue "God built all those layers into the glaciers and into stalactites, made the nova remnants appear millions of years old, etc." I can't disprove it. But you've got to ask yourself, why would God put all these inter-corroborating clocks all over the Earth and all thru the galaxy if they were all false???
Carazaa · F
@ElwoodBlues
I can't disprove all that. However, what I do know is that God can change the way things appear. so why would he do that? For a few reasons. For one he wants to test our faith. Faith is important to God. Two big events changed the world naturally.
First, God cursed the ground in the Garden of Eden because we sinned. He changed the world to deteriorate quickly. Before garden of Eden, there were no diseases, no floods, earthquake, or deterioration. After the curse the world has been plagued by many events to remind us of our sins.
Then there is Noahs flood, the biggest event that has created a lot of mysteries for scientist, but not really for Biblical scholars. such as boulders rolling down mountains for miles and ending up on top of each other on plains far from mountains. And marine life and seashells on top of mountains far from the sea. It did not explain "the Ice age,". Petrification happens quickly like a flood, mud on top of animals, etc. not slowly.
what is fascinating to me is that much of the stuff scientist are surprised to find, Biblical scholars expected to find like "Dogger land" in the North Sea, and trees under Pacific Ocean by Canada. It is expected that we would find civilization under water from before the flood, but scientist are surprised. Then they come up with such hilarious explanations that always contradict Gods word. They love to "disprove The Bible it seems.
No, I'll count on God's word as being absolutely correct. Especially since every single family in the Bible is named from Adam to Jesus, 4000 years. Jesus lived 2000 years ago. probably born year 6 BC and died and rose year 28 AD. About year 2028 it will be 6000 years since Adam lived, the first human, when he comes back from all the signs we see now.
God is giving us a timetable so we can endure these hard times, praise God he is in control.
I am writing this for those who do not know the Bible and automatically believe that the Bible can be contradicted. But I believe it can't if you study it.
(oh, my laptop is having sticky key problems so some words might be missing letters)
I can't disprove all that. However, what I do know is that God can change the way things appear. so why would he do that? For a few reasons. For one he wants to test our faith. Faith is important to God. Two big events changed the world naturally.
First, God cursed the ground in the Garden of Eden because we sinned. He changed the world to deteriorate quickly. Before garden of Eden, there were no diseases, no floods, earthquake, or deterioration. After the curse the world has been plagued by many events to remind us of our sins.
Then there is Noahs flood, the biggest event that has created a lot of mysteries for scientist, but not really for Biblical scholars. such as boulders rolling down mountains for miles and ending up on top of each other on plains far from mountains. And marine life and seashells on top of mountains far from the sea. It did not explain "the Ice age,". Petrification happens quickly like a flood, mud on top of animals, etc. not slowly.
what is fascinating to me is that much of the stuff scientist are surprised to find, Biblical scholars expected to find like "Dogger land" in the North Sea, and trees under Pacific Ocean by Canada. It is expected that we would find civilization under water from before the flood, but scientist are surprised. Then they come up with such hilarious explanations that always contradict Gods word. They love to "disprove The Bible it seems.
No, I'll count on God's word as being absolutely correct. Especially since every single family in the Bible is named from Adam to Jesus, 4000 years. Jesus lived 2000 years ago. probably born year 6 BC and died and rose year 28 AD. About year 2028 it will be 6000 years since Adam lived, the first human, when he comes back from all the signs we see now.
God is giving us a timetable so we can endure these hard times, praise God he is in control.
I am writing this for those who do not know the Bible and automatically believe that the Bible can be contradicted. But I believe it can't if you study it.
(oh, my laptop is having sticky key problems so some words might be missing letters)
ElwoodBlues · M
@Carazaa I know some religious scientists. I think they interpret some parts of the bible as being metaphors or parables and other parts as being literally true. "Four corners of the Earth" is a metaphor; nobody believes there are four actual corners out there. I think my religious friends have no trouble interpreting the Genesis creation story as a parable and not literally true.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
What is it that sceptics believe? What is the nature of the delusion you claim they are 'pushing'?
Does Lennox present any actual evidence in any of these videos, or is it all just sophistry and fallacies?
If he gets around to evidence, could you pinpoint it for me, because I'm really not inclined to waste time listening to Lennox
Does Lennox present any actual evidence in any of these videos, or is it all just sophistry and fallacies?
If he gets around to evidence, could you pinpoint it for me, because I'm really not inclined to waste time listening to Lennox
GodSpeed63 · 70-79, M
@newjaninev2
You already told me what you believe and it's delusional.
What is it that sceptics believe? What is the nature of the delusion you claim they are 'pushing'?
You already told me what you believe and it's delusional.
BlueSkyKing · M
NativePortlander1970 · 51-55
@BlueSkyKing Not to mention their thefts of pagan rituals to celebrate christmas.
trollslayer · 46-50, M
Is this a joke?
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@trollslayer Well, it's certainly funny 😂
trollslayer · 46-50, M
@newjaninev2 same category as the moon landing deniers and the chemtrails folks. For a short time i worked with a flat earther. That was fun.
AdmiralPrune · 41-45, M
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AdmiralPrune · 41-45, M
@GodSpeed63 Lies. You’ve proven/disproven nothing.
Religious wars are adults fighting over who has the best imaginary friend.
Religious wars are adults fighting over who has the best imaginary friend.
BlueSkyKing · M
@LadyGrace The Nile hasn’t dried up and Damascus still exists.
DocSavage · M
The evidence speaks for itself. When has god done the same ?
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