AdmiralPrune · 41-45, M
People can’t disprove god anymore than you can disprove Allah or Buddha.
And no the bible isn’t proof.
And no the bible isn’t proof.
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AdmiralPrune · 41-45, M
@GodSpeed63 Lies. You’ve proven/disproven nothing.
Religious wars are adults fighting over who has the best imaginary friend.
Religious wars are adults fighting over who has the best imaginary friend.
BlueSkyKing · M
@LadyGrace The Nile hasn’t dried up and Damascus still exists.
ElwoodBlues · M
I believe the Earth is FAR older than the Biblical 6000 years, and here is my evidence!!
Visit any limestone cave. Stalactites grow at a rate of about 1mm per 10 years. So a 10 meter stalactite has been growing about 100,000 years. And close examination of cross sections shows the year by year layering (where rainfall is seasonal). These stalactites can be found all over the world. The ages are corroborated by radiometric carbon dating.

Tree rings are clocks. The oldest living tree goes back about 4800 years. But wood from dead trees can contain records of volcanic events, thus extending the record back much farther.
Seasonal snowfall on glaciers accumulates to form countable layers. Greenland ice sheet layers can be counted back about 110,000 years. The ages are corroborated by radiometric dating. Other glaciers go back as far as 700,000 years, but on those the older data is mostly radiometric dating.

Salt flows from rocks into lakes and the ocean. If no salt left the ocean, that would give an age of 50 million to 70 million years. However, various geologic processes cause salt to leave the ocean at about the rate it's entering, so 50 million to 70 million years becomes a minimum estimate of the age of the earth.
Layering of sedimentary rocks - such as in the Grand Canyon - forms a series of clocks. These layers correspond to different stages in the evolution of life on the planet. The layers can be dated by positional order (bottom layer formed first), sedimentation rate, age of fossils found in the layer, and of course, radiometric dating. There are five main isotope pairs used for dating sedimentary rocks as well as the 'fissile track' method; you can read about it all here:
https://australian.museum/learn/minerals/shaping-earth/radioactive-dating/

Then there's all the fossils of extinct animals found in the rock layers. They're not exactly a clock, but they are an indicator of the vast amounts of time over which evolution occurs.
Of course outer space offers many clocks. Accumulation of craters on airless bodies like the Moon forms a clock. Shells of glowing gas left over from novas and supernovas form clocks (the Lambda Orionis Ring is about 1 million years old). The redshift of light from galaxies billions of light years away form clocks. The Hubble expansion of the universe forms a clock. The frequency shift of big bang radiation to form the cosmic microwave background is a clock.
No one clock is perfect, but they all corroborate each other pretty well, and they ALL give life FAR MORE than 6000 years to evolve.
If you argue "God hid those dinosaur bones (and all the isotopes used for dating) in the rocks" I can't disprove it. If you argue "God built all those layers into the glaciers and into stalactites, made the nova remnants appear millions of years old, etc." I can't disprove it. But you've got to ask yourself, why would God put all these inter-corroborating clocks all over the Earth and all thru the galaxy if they were all false???
Visit any limestone cave. Stalactites grow at a rate of about 1mm per 10 years. So a 10 meter stalactite has been growing about 100,000 years. And close examination of cross sections shows the year by year layering (where rainfall is seasonal). These stalactites can be found all over the world. The ages are corroborated by radiometric carbon dating.

Tree rings are clocks. The oldest living tree goes back about 4800 years. But wood from dead trees can contain records of volcanic events, thus extending the record back much farther.
Originally developed for climate science, the method is now an invaluable tool for archaeologists, who can track up to 13,000 years of history using tree ring chronologies for over 4,000 sites on six continents.
The ages are corroborated by radiometric carbon dating (establishing age by measuring ratios of radioactive vs stable isotopes).Seasonal snowfall on glaciers accumulates to form countable layers. Greenland ice sheet layers can be counted back about 110,000 years. The ages are corroborated by radiometric dating. Other glaciers go back as far as 700,000 years, but on those the older data is mostly radiometric dating.

Salt flows from rocks into lakes and the ocean. If no salt left the ocean, that would give an age of 50 million to 70 million years. However, various geologic processes cause salt to leave the ocean at about the rate it's entering, so 50 million to 70 million years becomes a minimum estimate of the age of the earth.
Layering of sedimentary rocks - such as in the Grand Canyon - forms a series of clocks. These layers correspond to different stages in the evolution of life on the planet. The layers can be dated by positional order (bottom layer formed first), sedimentation rate, age of fossils found in the layer, and of course, radiometric dating. There are five main isotope pairs used for dating sedimentary rocks as well as the 'fissile track' method; you can read about it all here:
https://australian.museum/learn/minerals/shaping-earth/radioactive-dating/

Then there's all the fossils of extinct animals found in the rock layers. They're not exactly a clock, but they are an indicator of the vast amounts of time over which evolution occurs.
Of course outer space offers many clocks. Accumulation of craters on airless bodies like the Moon forms a clock. Shells of glowing gas left over from novas and supernovas form clocks (the Lambda Orionis Ring is about 1 million years old). The redshift of light from galaxies billions of light years away form clocks. The Hubble expansion of the universe forms a clock. The frequency shift of big bang radiation to form the cosmic microwave background is a clock.
No one clock is perfect, but they all corroborate each other pretty well, and they ALL give life FAR MORE than 6000 years to evolve.
If you argue "God hid those dinosaur bones (and all the isotopes used for dating) in the rocks" I can't disprove it. If you argue "God built all those layers into the glaciers and into stalactites, made the nova remnants appear millions of years old, etc." I can't disprove it. But you've got to ask yourself, why would God put all these inter-corroborating clocks all over the Earth and all thru the galaxy if they were all false???
ElwoodBlues · M
@GodSpeed63 says
And we haven't even gotten to stratigraphic layers in the Alps! Or million year old supernova remnants!!
Your problem, @GodSpeed63, is that there are SO MANY different independent "clocks" on Earth and in space. A single complaint about unspecified "layers" isn't going to cut the mustard.
[media=https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Christoph-Leitner/publication/318494921/figure/fig2/AS:613852794322972@1523365319775/Stratigraphic-chart-of-the-Northern-Calcareous-Alps-in-a-simplified-traverse-from-more.png]
The evidence you've shown only shows your miscalculation in the layers.
Please, enlighten us about these layers! But first, are you referring to the layers in stalactites? Or the layers in hundreds of glacier cores? Or maybe the layers in the Grand Canyon?? So many different layers have been found and measured, ALL indicating a much older Earth than the Biblical 6000 years. And we haven't even gotten to stratigraphic layers in the Alps! Or million year old supernova remnants!!
Your problem, @GodSpeed63, is that there are SO MANY different independent "clocks" on Earth and in space. A single complaint about unspecified "layers" isn't going to cut the mustard.
[media=https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Christoph-Leitner/publication/318494921/figure/fig2/AS:613852794322972@1523365319775/Stratigraphic-chart-of-the-Northern-Calcareous-Alps-in-a-simplified-traverse-from-more.png]
Carazaa · F
@ElwoodBlues
I understand that some people call themselves Christian and have metaphorical interpretation of verses that most Christians believe are profoundly important timelines.
"I declare the end, from the beginning" God tells us. Isaiah 36:10 so if we study Genesis, we will have knowledge of the end because God gives us clues of the end in Genesis.
However, even if you don't believe that timeline, please be careful because Christian scientists do not believe Jesus is Gods son who died for our sins, nor that he rose from the dead. They are not what Jesus himself would call "Christians"
There is no forgiven for sin unless we believe he died for our sins and rose from the dead.
I understand that some people call themselves Christian and have metaphorical interpretation of verses that most Christians believe are profoundly important timelines.
"I declare the end, from the beginning" God tells us. Isaiah 36:10 so if we study Genesis, we will have knowledge of the end because God gives us clues of the end in Genesis.
However, even if you don't believe that timeline, please be careful because Christian scientists do not believe Jesus is Gods son who died for our sins, nor that he rose from the dead. They are not what Jesus himself would call "Christians"
There is no forgiven for sin unless we believe he died for our sins and rose from the dead.
GodSpeed63 · 70-79, M
@ElwoodBlues
So? You can all through the layers in the heavens and the earth, if you'd like, and you'd still miss the mark.
And we haven't even gotten to stratigraphic layers in the Alps! Or million year old supernova remnants!!
So? You can all through the layers in the heavens and the earth, if you'd like, and you'd still miss the mark.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
continue to pray for them
and we'll continue to think for you
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
What is it that sceptics believe? What is the nature of the delusion you claim they are 'pushing'?
Does Lennox present any actual evidence in any of these videos, or is it all just sophistry and fallacies?
If he gets around to evidence, could you pinpoint it for me, because I'm really not inclined to waste time listening to Lennox
Does Lennox present any actual evidence in any of these videos, or is it all just sophistry and fallacies?
If he gets around to evidence, could you pinpoint it for me, because I'm really not inclined to waste time listening to Lennox
GodSpeed63 · 70-79, M
@newjaninev2
Every one of them that doesn't line up with the Word of God.
Which of my beliefs could possibly be of the slightest interest to you?
Every one of them that doesn't line up with the Word of God.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
Why do you keep pushing this bloviating charlatan Lennox?
His sophistry is so obvious that it's cringeworthy.
He's actually still asking nonsense questions like: Why is there something rather than nothing?
This particular piece of sophistry is designed to de facto introduce 'agency', because only a sentient agent could have the purpose that accompanies the deceptive use of the word 'why'.
Were Lennox intellectually honest (he isn't... not by any means) he would ask" How is there something rather than nothing?
This is a legitimate question, it is worthy of answer, and already several theoretical approaches address it. The question does not deceptively introduce any need for 'agency'... and Lennox has not the slightest clue how to answer it.
His sophistry is so obvious that it's cringeworthy.
He's actually still asking nonsense questions like: Why is there something rather than nothing?
This particular piece of sophistry is designed to de facto introduce 'agency', because only a sentient agent could have the purpose that accompanies the deceptive use of the word 'why'.
Were Lennox intellectually honest (he isn't... not by any means) he would ask" How is there something rather than nothing?
This is a legitimate question, it is worthy of answer, and already several theoretical approaches address it. The question does not deceptively introduce any need for 'agency'... and Lennox has not the slightest clue how to answer it.
GodSpeed63 · 70-79, M
@newjaninev2
He's on the side of Truth, which is more than I can say for you.
Why do you keep pushing this bloviating charlatan Lennox?
He's on the side of Truth, which is more than I can say for you.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@GodSpeed63 The question does not deceptively introduce any need for 'agency'... and Lennox has not the slightest clue how to answer it.
kodiac · 22-25, M
They are pushing their delusions on others. The videos are about everything except answering the only questions that matter. Why all the horrors in the world exist. Why do people that are high ranking in religion do more damage to children than any other group? There are hundreds of thousands of documented cases of catholic priest abuse . Please explan where is your god when a 10 year old boy is systematically abused by a group of priests over a 2 year period? When the boy is being raped held down and tortured and he looks up and sees a picture of Jesus up there on the wall? If he she it does exist then where is the compassion, the empthy ,the love ? The pat answer is free will ,if he she it is all powerful why create something so flawed? Do we not deserve real answers before we worship something that seems to be unconcerned with the fate of it's creation?
BlueSkyKing · M
No, it’s sad that you don’t accept the burden of proof. Praying is the same as spell casting.
NativePortlander1970 · 51-55
@BlueSkyKing Not to mention their thefts of pagan rituals to celebrate christmas.
trollslayer · 46-50, M
Is this a joke?
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@trollslayer Well, it's certainly funny 😂
trollslayer · 46-50, M
@newjaninev2 same category as the moon landing deniers and the chemtrails folks. For a short time i worked with a flat earther. That was fun.
DocSavage · M
The evidence speaks for itself. When has god done the same ?
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