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JimboSaturn · 56-60, M
As a person of faith, you sure seem obsessed with trying to find evidence of God.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@GodSpeed63 I'm not the one pushing unsupported beliefs. And the fact that you keep trying pathetically to play "I'm rubber, you're glue" tells me that you know you don't have any evidence.
GodSpeed63 · 70-79, M
@LordShadowfire
I'm not the one pushing unsupported beliefs.

Yeah you are.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@GodSpeed63
Yeah you are.
Well, if that's the case, then your complete inability to provide evidence that disproves the existence of Deadpool means that he is absolutely 100% real.

To me, faith is not about arguing against science. Faith is compatible with, and came along science. The main thing, is that we use our faith, and exercise it to saving faith in Christ, so no one is bound by the condemnation that sin placed on us, but are redeemed through Christ, by His grace, to life eternal in heaven with Him. I believe that should be the emphasis in this world. And as you have so beautifully stated, Science points to God. This world would not even have been made without God, as stated in Genesis. Science compliments the creativity God has shown in this world.

I emphasize the importance of focusing on the redemptive work of Christ and the gift of eternal life through faith.

Many scientists throughout history have seen the intricate design and complexity of the natural world as evidence of a creator. Science can complement our understanding of God's creativity and majesty.

Ultimately, it's through faith in Christ that we can appreciate the wonders of creation and the beauty of science, recognizing that both reveal aspects of God's character and design.
coffeebycandlelight · 56-60, F
I always thought that this particular scripture was spot on with science, even though it was written thousands of years ago.
The earth is suspended in empty space. (Job 26:7)
Many ancient peoples believed that the world was a flat disk supported by a giant or an animal, such as a buffalo or a turtle but turns out the Bible was correct in it's information.
And I can't miss out this one - Sanitary practices protect health. The Law given to the nation of Israel included regulations for washing after touching a dead body, quarantining those with infectious disease, and disposing of human waste safely. (Leviticus 11:28; 13:1-5; Deuteronomy 23:13) By contrast, one of the Egyptian remedies in use when these commands were given called for applying to an open wound a mixture that included human excrement.
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@coffeebycandlelight There is the passage in Genesis that describes the movement of the tectonic plates as well Genesis 10:25
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GodSpeed63 · 70-79, M
@SomeMichGuy [quote] I do think atheism seems to come from pretty high hubris, but so is twaddle like what is often spouted by people making videos & podcasts & televangelists... [quote]

Jesus said that we must be born again in oder to see the kingdom of God; we must be born of water and the Spirit in order to enter there in.
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MoveAlong · 70-79, M
@hippyjoe1955 Intelligent Design is not taught in public schools because numerous court rulings have determined it is a religious concept, not a scientific one, and that teaching it in science classes would violate the constitutional separation of church and state. Yes, "big science" whatever that is would likely support the courts' decisions.

BTW the Louisiana law that required that all classrooms display the Ten Commandments was struck down just last week for the same reason.
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@MoveAlong Too Funny!!!!!! Cloning involves living material. Creating live involves non living material. BTW cloning is not a good policy. The clone is the same age as the animal from which it was taken even though it is a newborn. A fertilised egg newborn has had its chronological age set at 0. If you clone a 5 year old animal the clone is born 5 years old and will die in about the same time as its source. Cloning and creating are very different things. Oh and why isn't cloning just natural? Why do we have to go to extreme lengths to do it? I mean when I impregnated my wife it wasn't much effort on my part. Much more so on her part but she delivered each baby naturally. Almost like it was designed.
@MoveAlong I understand your perspective on scientific advancements, but for me, my experiences with God have been profoundly personal and transformative. The Bible describes a living, relational God who interacts with humanity in ways that go beyond human innovation and understanding. For example, I experienced the power of God, which came as quite a surprise to myself, not even knowing that was possible. Just as the transformation of the Holy Spirit is described in the Bible. That made a believer out of me. It's not something I could dream up or envision as I never even knew that was possible until it happened to me. I had read about that in the bible, but when I actually experienced it, I've never forgotten it and it's just as real to me today as when the Holy Spirit indwelled me the day I accepted Jesus as my personal Savior. It was certainly not something I conjured up or even knew would happen, so it's not made up. I never would have believed it myself, except it happened to me and then I knew God's Word was telling me the truth. That experience happened to me exactly on July 11th, 1973. I'll never forget it.

While science can explain many things, it doesn't fully capture the depth of spiritual experiences and the impact of faith on people's lives. Perhaps our understanding of God's power and presence can coexist with scientific discovery in ways that aren't always about one replacing the other.

I might add, that my intention isn't to force my beliefs on others, but rather to share my personal experience and perspective.
@MoveAlong

[quote]"Science cannot prove how the universe came to be. However, there is zero, zilch, nada scientific information that, as you say, shows the universe was created by intelligent design.
If you have faith in god that is fine. But faith is not proof of anything."
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The intricacies of science, particularly physics and mathematics, showcase intelligent design. Math's underlying order enables physics, which in turn allows us to create and innovate. Considering the complexity of our existence, I find it more plausible to attribute our origins to an intelligent designer rather than random chance and unguided evolution. It seems to me that believing in the latter requires a significant leap of faith, perhaps even more so than believing in a creator.
Oh, absolutely. He invented it. He allowed it. Nothing is above him. Nothing is greater than He. I can't wait until he reveals Himself again. That's not a guess. That's a given. I can't wait till he gets the glory and praise He so deserves.
MoveAlong · 70-79, M
Science doesn't try to prove or disprove god. Some individual scientists might give it a go if they have some time to waste.
@MoveAlong
Discovering things that are elegant, complex and beyond our understanding are commonplace in science. That doesn't mean that they must have been created by god.


That's a fair point. Science and faith aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. Many people find that their understanding of the natural world and its complexities actually deepens their appreciation for a creator. What are your thoughts on the relationship between science and spirituality?
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@MoveAlong Well lets use an analogy to explain how the owner can do with His possession what every he wants. A number of years ago I was driving down the highway. I was passing truck after truck full of dead chickens. Then I remembered that there was a poultry farm nearby that had an outbreak of avian flu. The solution was to kill all the chickens on that farm. I wonder if the chickens questioned the morality of the farmer. He fed them yesterday and then killed them today. So yes God can do with His creation what ever He wants. He created them. He has been sustaining them so it is entirely within His prerogative. What I find funny is facing the parent with the paddle and telling said parent that he would be immortal if he gave you a spanking. You being the brat have no claim on morality.
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@MoveAlong One final note and then I will leave this to others. A good friend of mine has been doing medical research for many years now. Her speciality is kidneys. She told me that as a young researcher she tried to understand the function of a kidney through the lens of evolution. The organ 'evolved' therefore how can she best deal with its malfunctions. Such a mindset didn't get her very far and so she switched to think of how it was designed to function. She says she had several immediate break throughs in the research as a result of that simple mind set change. As my dear old dad used to say about a machine "Well they had to put it together somehow". as he was trying to get a balky machine to work again. He succeeded based on that simple precept. If I can understand the design I can fix the problem. If I am just staring at an assortment of parts the machine will remain broken.
JimboSaturn · 56-60, M
Oh this guys uses the argument from personal incredidulity. Not sound.
No. I am the creator of “god”.

Prove that I am not.
ItsMeMorgue · 46-50, F
Oh? And what does your pet YouTuber say about it? I'm not going to watch your little videos if you can't express yourself in your own words.
ItsMeMorgue · 46-50, F
@hippyjoe1955
I guess logic is not your forte.
Says the person who thinks really hard at the invisible bearded man in the sky every day.
Damaged DNA points to God much more than evolution.
So you're saying he's incapable of making something that works properly? Or does he think it's funny to intentionally make it defective and watch us suffer?
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@ItsMeMorgue Thanks for sharing your twisted idea of God. It is nothing like the vision I have of Him. In my understanding the entire universe exists in His Mind. A Mind so intelligent and wise that He thought of the the entire universe including the Earth and everything on it. Imagine being so Smart that you could create a system that completely recycles all its material.
ItsMeMorgue · 46-50, F
@hippyjoe1955
Thanks for sharing your twisted idea of God.
Show me where it's inaccurate. Without using your propaganda book.
In my understanding the entire universe exists in His Mind. A Mind so intelligent and wise that He thought of the the entire universe including the Earth and everything on it.
What a twisted mind that would be. To think of all the disease, all the ways to die, especially at each other's hands. To create a universe in which it is necessary to kill in order to live. And all of that exists in his mind. That's disgusting.
Imagine being so Smart that you could create a system that completely recycles all its material.
Thanks for letting me know that your god thinks I'm material to be recycled.
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