Science Just Keeps Pointing To God

@MoveAlong And when the science says the courts are wrong? There is immense quantities of scientific information that shows the world is here by design not by accident. In fact there is no plausible explanation based on the accident theory. Even in our best labs we can not duplicate what is everywhere in nature. There simply is no way the world can exist by accident. Talk to Fred Hoyle.

@MoveAlong I'm not surprised. People seem to want nothing but to destroy all concepts and beliefs in Christ. They want to wipe his name and face off the Earth...all traces of Him, off the earth, but that's not possible. Not now, not ever. Because God always keeps his promises:

“Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”

(Philippians 2:9-11)

@hippyjoe1955 Science cannot prove how the universe came to be. However, there is zero, zilch, nada scientific information that, as you say, shows the universe was created by intelligent design.

If you have faith in god that is fine. But faith is not proof of anything.

@MoveAlong I guess you haven't been looking at any of the evidence. There is so much complexity in a single cell that all must be in the right place at exactly the right time that even a few misfolded proteins will destroy it. How common are the misfolded proteins? Well about 50% are completely useless but are just as chemically interactive. So unless some unseen force guided the integration of the correct proteins it is impossible for it to have happened by chance. Some one did the calculations of getting all the right bits into all the right places and it came to odds of one in 10E 42000. That is just the initial cell and not even getting it to function which is an entirely different subject. Life is in large part Information controlling matter and when said information ceases to do so death is instantaneous. So where did that information come from? The extremely complex operations going on in a single cell we can not duplicate. We can only look on in amazement. How a cell builds a road across itself and then creates a nano robot to bring material across that road and then destroys the road as soon as the function if performed. Any one who says that this is the result of an accident believes that putting a bunch of rocks in a bag and shaking it long enough will produce a D 9 Caterpillar tractor.

@MoveAlong
Some come from different perspectives. While science is great at understanding the natural world, it's not equipped to address questions of ultimate origins or purpose. Regarding intelligent design, there are scientists who argue that certain features of the universe show signs of intentional design. However, I understand that this is a topic of ongoing debate.

I understand what you're getting at, but faith isn't about providing empirical proof. Faith is about trusting in God's character and promises, as revealed in the Bible. It's not about proving God's existence to others, but about a personal relationship and trust in Him.

Think of it like this: if you're in a relationship with someone, you trust them because of who they are, not just because of proof or evidence. Similarly, faith is about trusting in God's goodness, love, and truth, even when I don't have all the answers. So, while faith may not be 'proof' in the classical sense, it's a vital part of my life and informs how I live and make decisions.

@hippyjoe1955 There was a time when we couldn't clone an animal. We didn't know how. Just because we cannot create a living functioning cell now doesn't mean we'll never be able to. I believe we'll probably create a living functioning cell before we magic one into being.

@MoveAlong Too Funny!!!!!! Cloning involves living material. Creating live involves non living material. BTW cloning is not a good policy. The clone is the same age as the animal from which it was taken even though it is a newborn. A fertilised egg newborn has had its chronological age set at 0. If you clone a 5 year old animal the clone is born 5 years old and will die in about the same time as its source. Cloning and creating are very different things. Oh and why isn't cloning just natural? Why do we have to go to extreme lengths to do it? I mean when I impregnated my wife it wasn't much effort on my part. Much more so on her part but she delivered each baby naturally. Almost like it was designed.

@MoveAlong I understand your perspective on scientific advancements, but for me, my experiences with God have been profoundly personal and transformative. The Bible describes a living, relational God who interacts with humanity in ways that go beyond human innovation and understanding. For example, I experienced the power of God, which came as quite a surprise to myself, not even knowing that was possible. Just as the transformation of the Holy Spirit is described in the Bible. That made a believer out of me. It's not something I could dream up or envision as I never even knew that was possible until it happened to me. I had read about that in the bible, but when I actually experienced it, I've never forgotten it and it's just as real to me today as when the Holy Spirit indwelled me the day I accepted Jesus as my personal Savior. It was certainly not something I conjured up or even knew would happen, so it's not made up. I never would have believed it myself, except it happened to me and then I knew God's Word was telling me the truth. That experience happened to me exactly on July 11th, 1973. I'll never forget it.

While science can explain many things, it doesn't fully capture the depth of spiritual experiences and the impact of faith on people's lives. Perhaps our understanding of God's power and presence can coexist with scientific discovery in ways that aren't always about one replacing the other.

I might add, that my intention isn't to force my beliefs on others, but rather to share my personal experience and perspective.

@MoveAlong

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The intricacies of science, particularly physics and mathematics, showcase intelligent design. Math's underlying order enables physics, which in turn allows us to create and innovate. Considering the complexity of our existence, I find it more plausible to attribute our origins to an intelligent designer rather than random chance and unguided evolution. It seems to me that believing in the latter requires a significant leap of faith, perhaps even more so than believing in a creator.