Who is Jesus?
What are your thoughts about Jesus? What do you feel about him? What does he mean to you?
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ShadowSister · 51-55, F
@sree251 Claiming there is no evidence doesn't make it true. The consensus of secular (non-Christian) historians is that Jesus did exist, even if many of the legends recorded about him were later inventions. Here is a 2.5 min video giving the reasons.
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I have no dog in this fight. I just get annoyed that the Jesus-never-existed hypothesis has become so fashionable among people who don't know the first thing about the methodology of doing ancient history.
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I have no dog in this fight. I just get annoyed that the Jesus-never-existed hypothesis has become so fashionable among people who don't know the first thing about the methodology of doing ancient history.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@ShadowSister
Erhman's argument is well taken. I am not rejecting the contention that someone said the things attributed to a person known as Jesus. Those utterances are astounding to me. They obviously stood out and were impactful enough to be passed down to us in scriptural writings. I do not deny that the originator called Jesus walked the earth some 2000 years ago. What I reject is the mythic figure of a Jew, born in Nazareth, whose life story was in accordance with the accounts in the Gospels. The life of Jesus is a fabrication. This is what I am saying. I reject the story of a Jew who turned water into wine, walked on water, healed the sick, raised the dead, died on the cross, and rose to Heaven.
I have no dog in this fight. I just get annoyed that the Jesus-never-existed hypothesis has become so fashionable among people who don't know the first thing about the methodology of doing ancient history.
Erhman's argument is well taken. I am not rejecting the contention that someone said the things attributed to a person known as Jesus. Those utterances are astounding to me. They obviously stood out and were impactful enough to be passed down to us in scriptural writings. I do not deny that the originator called Jesus walked the earth some 2000 years ago. What I reject is the mythic figure of a Jew, born in Nazareth, whose life story was in accordance with the accounts in the Gospels. The life of Jesus is a fabrication. This is what I am saying. I reject the story of a Jew who turned water into wine, walked on water, healed the sick, raised the dead, died on the cross, and rose to Heaven.
ShadowSister · 51-55, F
sree251 · 41-45, M
@ShadowSister
You and Ducky agree with Erhman. I reject Erhman's treatment of Jesus as a historical event similar to that of Plato, Julius Caesar, et al. Jesus' teaching is not of this world. Erhman is dismissive of Jesus as another Joe Blow. His is the stance of Judaism that rejects Jesus as a Messiah and nothing more than an apostate trouble maker. Jesus' teaching turned Judaism on its head and rejected its eye-for-an-eye moral guidance that has spawned human conflicts including the present one in Gaza.
"Turning the other cheek" is the advocacy of Jesus' teaching. Chances are Jesus was a Palestinian Jew. If he were alive today, and if the Palestinians saw in him the Messiah, they would let the Israelis have all their land from the the river to the sea and walk away.
You, me, and @Ducky all agree then.
You and Ducky agree with Erhman. I reject Erhman's treatment of Jesus as a historical event similar to that of Plato, Julius Caesar, et al. Jesus' teaching is not of this world. Erhman is dismissive of Jesus as another Joe Blow. His is the stance of Judaism that rejects Jesus as a Messiah and nothing more than an apostate trouble maker. Jesus' teaching turned Judaism on its head and rejected its eye-for-an-eye moral guidance that has spawned human conflicts including the present one in Gaza.
"Turning the other cheek" is the advocacy of Jesus' teaching. Chances are Jesus was a Palestinian Jew. If he were alive today, and if the Palestinians saw in him the Messiah, they would let the Israelis have all their land from the the river to the sea and walk away.