Believing In Evolution Is Dangerous

@Random3838 so true. And well put

@Random3838 @Axeroberts [quote]Science does not contradict the existence of God. They go hand in hand. There is nothing in the bible that defutes evolution. God created the sciences and we can use that to become closer to God. [/quote]

How old do you think the earth is?

@GodSpeed63 that is irrelevant to the point I made. Does not matter if the Earth is 6,000 or 6,000,000,000 years old; science and God does not and cannot contradict.

As a christian, you are free to believe either way since this has no impact on salvation so therfore it is not a matter of doctrine but of personal belief. To say either is truth; would be false.

@Random3838 [quote]There is nothing in the bible that defutes evolution.[/quote]

The theory of evolution is incompatible with the Bible, and in fact, evolution contradicts the Bible. Just like a painting demands the necessity for a painter, so does creation demand the necessity for a Creator, but for those who want to make “time and chance” their god, God calls them a fool (Psalm 14:1). Evolution cannot explain the origin of life, it cannot prove that life spontaneously arose, and this propped up theory can only hypothesize about the origin of matter. What else would explain the beginning? Surely it’s not “time + [i]chance[/i] = everything”.

@LadyGrace Are you assuming i dont believe in God? I never said that life was created without God. I never said anything about chance. I never said anything about spontaneously.

Why do you twist and put words in my mouth?

@Random3838 no I'm not assuming anything. I didn't address that. Only what I quoted from what you said. And that wasn't putting words in your mouth. The bible does refute evolution, as evolution contradicts the Bible, is what I was saying. Did I misunderstood your wording?

@LadyGrace All wisdom comes from God. Science is wisdom. So if something is proven scientifically and it appears it contradicts scripture then that means your interpretation of scripture is wrong. Not science. If you say science if wrong then that implies God is wrong and God cannot be wrong.

Evolution does not contradict scripture. Genesis is not supposed to be taken literal. It is a poem discribing Gods creation. Not a play by play of events.

So Evolution and the creation account in scripture are united.

But Evolution is just a theory so it is not proven without a doubt and that is why a christian can believe in either situation.

My whole point is not to claim something a definite if it is not.

@Random3838 [quote]All wisdom comes from God. Science is wisdom. So if something is proven scientifically and it appears it contradicts scripture then that means your interpretation of scripture is wrong. Not science.[/quote]

It's just the other way around, or we'd be calling God a liar. Man, in his [i]finite[/i] wisdom, thinks he's smarter and wiser than God, but that will never happen. If things don't measure up to [b]God's Word[/b], which every follower of Christ knows is [b]Truth[/b], then there's something wrong with man's interpretation. God is perfect and His Word, flawless. God doesn't bend to man's standards; man bends to His, BECAUSE they are Truth. Man does not have the [i]authority[/i] to deny what God has affirmed in His Word nor to twist His Truths.

@Random3838 [quote]But Evolution is just a theory so it is not proven without a doubt and that is why a christian can believe in either situation.[/quote]

God did not leave us to guess. He said He created [i]everything[/i] and He has the final say so and authority -- not man. We either believe God and take Him at His Word, or not at all. There's no in between. Revelation says not to be lukewarm in our faith.

@LadyGrace you are correct when you say our wisdom is finite. So then why are you so sure your interpretation of genesis is correct? Could there be another interpretation?

Take revelation for example. In revelation, it says that a whore will ride on a 7 headed dragon whith a chalice of blood. Do you really think this will actually happen as it says? Or is it symbolic representing something else? If revelation is symbolic in its imagery, then what about other passages?

And before you assume something else, i do not think the bible is nothing but symbolism. However, each book of the bible is a different genre of literature and should be read and interpretedas such. The story of creation was written as a poem (read it in hebrew).

@LadyGrace again with assumptions. I never said God did not create everything.

I firmly believe that God created everything.

@Random3838 Stop saying I'm assuming, when I'm not. I [b]copied your own words[/b] and the following words that you wrote are not true:

[quote]"But Evolution is just a theory so it is not proven without a doubt and [[u]that is why a christian can believe in either situation[/u]."[/quote]

No...we can't... and don't believe in evolution PLUS what the Bible says. We either believe God or we don't, but God's word does not confirm evolution. It states just the opposite and that's what it means.

@Random3838 I'm pretty sure after 50 years I know how to interpret the Bible and that's done through the Holy Spirit, not from me. It can only be done through the Holy Spirit. He tells us what is truth and what is not and yes, I'm quite aware thank you of the different genres of literature.

@LadyGrace maybe i am not expressing my words correctly in explaining this. So i will just leave this alone.

But i will leave you with a passage. This is purely rhetorical and just something to meditate on.

Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation,
2 Peter 1:20 NABRE

@Random3838 [quote]Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation,
2 Peter 1:20 NABRE[/quote]

I think you made your thoughts perfectly clear.

That's exactly right. Bible scripture must be interpreted by the Holy Spirit, just as the Bible confirms. Let's look at this in context, for the true meaning.

In verses 16 through 18, Peter referred to his witness of the "transfiguration" of Jesus (Matthew 17:1–13). This was Peter's most powerful personal confirmation of the prophecies in Scripture about the Messiah. Seeing this event proved, in no uncertain terms, that what Peter had heard from Jesus was absolutely true. The confirmation of those prophecies, and the reality of God, also confirms the prophecies yet to be fulfilled. This includes those about Jesus' return as judge and king.

Peter has been speaking of invented stories and myths, specifically saying his claims are neither of these. Here, Peter emphasizes the fact that the power of prophecy does not come from some human interpretation of events. In other words, the prophecies of Scripture were not "cleverly devised" stories (2 Peter 1:16) or the best guesses of insightful men. These are claims which, if shown to be true, can only be the product of inspiration from the Holy Spirit. This is the theme Peter explores in verse 21.

@Random3838 I don't use anything but the King James version because through careful Bible study, I see how other interpretations twist scripture. And dramatically, at that! God is not the author of confusion. Something to meditate on. God's Word doesn't [i]need[/i] "revising".

@Random3838 [quote]All wisdom comes from God. Science is wisdom. So if something is proven scientifically and it appears it contradicts scripture then that means your interpretation of scripture is wrong.[/quote]

So I guess because all wisdom comes from God, your statement means you think everyone has wisdom from God, because that sure sounds like that's what you deducted. Oh yes, wisdom does come from God but not everyone has the wisdom of God, nor wants it, so your statement is false. You assume everyone has wisdom from God. You said ALL wisdom comes from God, so you think everyone has wisdom from God. Scripture says that unbelievers do not have wisdom from God nor can they interpret scripture because they do not have the Holy Spirit and that is [b]key[/b] to understanding the gospel.

@Random3838 [quote] that is irrelevant to the point I made. Does not matter if the Earth is 6,000 or 6,000,000,000 years old; science and God does not and cannot contradict. [/quote]

It does matter. Skeptics here want to believe that the earth is 4.6 billion years old to fit their agenda. The Truth is that the earth is over 6000 years old according to God's Word. Just where do you stand in all this? Are you born again?

@GodSpeed63 yes, i have been born again, when i was baptized.

How are you so sure that your interpretation of Genesis is correct? Is there no other way to interpret it? I will leave you woth this passage to Meditate on just like i did above.

Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation,
2 Peter 1:20 NABRE

@Random3838 [quote]yes, i have been born again, when i was baptized.[/quote]

If we could earn our salvation by works, then we could save ourselves, but being sinful in ourselves, that is not possible. There's no such thing as being born again by baptism, and the Bible confirms that. We are saved by Grace Alone. Faith Alone. Grace alone means that God loves, forgives, and saves us not because of who we are or what we do, but [b]because of the work of Christ.[/b]

Read John 3:16 - It does NOT say 'if you want eternal life, you must be baptized.' "Baptized", in that sense, would be a "work" for salvation, and Jesus is the one that did the "work for our salvation", on the cross. Baptism does not save you one bit. Not even a little bit. God did not tell people the world to be baptized, if they wanted to be saved. If we could save ourselves even one little bit, then we would be practicing saving ourselves by [b]works[/b], NOT by grace through faith in Jesus Christ. Grace means [b][c=BF0000]unearned[/c][/b] favor from God. You do not have to work for God's love nor His plan of salvation for us. You cannot be saved except by the [u]grace of God[/u] and it is the Holy Spirit transforming your life. Baptism, in the olden days, was used only as a public confession that you have accepted Christ as your Savior, and that's it. Salvation is NOT based on OUR PERFORMANCE.

[b][c=BF0000]Ephesians 2, verses 8 and 9: "For by GRACE are ye saved, through FAITH ; and that NOT OF YOURSELVES : it is the GIFT of God: NOT OF WORKS , lest any man should BOAST." You can't earn a gift. It is freely given by God.[/c][/b]

John 3:16 and 17 say NOTHING about earning your way to heaven, but by believing in [b][c=BF0000]the saving grace and works of Christ [u]alone[/u][/c][/b]. Jesus did not say go ye therefore and be baptized if you want to have salvation.

@LadyGrace

I Peter 3:20-21: “… in the days of Noah during the building of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were saved through water. Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.”

Romans 6:3-4: “Are you unaware that we who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were indeed buried with Him through baptism into death, so that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might live in newness of life.”

Galatians 3:27: “For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.”

I Cor. 12:13: “For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slaves or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit (See also Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16 and Col. 2:11-13).

@LadyGrace

Peter literally says that bapatism saves you. You cannot be more clearer than that.

Versus what you said...where in the bible does it say faith ALONE saves you? It doesnt. In fact, only time it says faith alone is when James says that faith alone DOESNT save you.

@Random3838 [quote]How are you so sure that your interpretation of Genesis is correct?[/quote]

Through the Spirit of God who dwells within me.

@GodSpeed63 there is just one problem with that...i am a christian and i do not interpret that passage in this way. Are you saying I dont have the Holy Spirit in me? What about the next christian who interprets it a third way; and the next and the next and on and on. How many different interpretations can there be? Do you see the error in that theology?

Self interpretation of scripture is wrong and that is what Peter says in his epistle.

@Random3838 you misinterpret scripture and all the other scriptures confirm that baptism does not save one. What do you do with those?