The Lie: How Can A Loving God Allow So Much Suffering In The World?

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Life is our choice.

@graphite [quote]People want God to act as this big puppeteer, controlling everyone's will. That's not how it works. God's ways are not our ways.[/quote]

Amen!

@Renkon [quote]It’s surprising why we still take everything in Holy Books literally without any effort to find the truth in them.[/quote]

That's the one truth that you have said all day....[b]without any effort to find the truth in them[/b]. It's amazing how people quote the Bible, yet have never really read it nor really studied what it says, but will take a quick breeze through its pages, find [b]one scripture[/b], take it out of context, then pretend they have. It's very obvious they haven't because they twist the words to fit their own idea of how they [b]think[/b] one gets to heaven. If one will study the bible, they will see exactly how to have eternal life in heaven with God. He makes it very clear, so we don't have to guess, and to ensure we don't miss heaven. The truth is right its pages. You can't call it blind because it doesn't leave to guess. It tells us exactly how to get to heaven. I cannot take the Quran seriously, for many, many reasons. Let's look at some impotant differences in beliefs.

Interestingly, out of all the messengers and prophets of God, Jesus is the only messenger who received the title of al-Masih, or Messiah, in the Quran. However, since Muslims do [b]not[/b] believe in "original" sin, they see no need for a saviour and therefore [b]do not[/b] believe in Jesus' crucifixion.

Why fixate on "original" sin, when the whole point is, we [b]know[/b] we all have a sin nature. That's very obvious in this world. The point is, [u]all[/u] sin separates us from Father God until we repent of it, and needs to be remedied by Father God's own Plan of Salvation...by accepting Jesus as [u]Savior[/u], not just a messenger. Why disobey and reject God's own plan to save us? Let's get to the crux of this. How about [b]you[/b] answer some questions for a change? Answer the following questions directly, and don't deviate from the subject.

Muhammad certainly gave no plan of salvation. He even admitted to being a sinner. Smart man. Jesus [u]came from heaven[/u]. He is the only one that [u]knows[/u] how to get there; certainly not man. And certainly not even if man [i]could[/i] save himself by his own good works. How would he find God's domain? And even if he did, he would not be able to walk through the doors with sin still on his heels. Tell me how you remedy this? Will man suddenly sprout wings and fly beyond our atmosphere and find God's domain in the third heaven? Impossible.

Who is the savior of the world in Islam?

The Mahdi (Arabic: ٱلْمَهْدِيّ, romanized: al-Mahdī, lit. 'the Guided') in Islamic eschatology, a messianic deliverer who will fill earth with justice and equity, restore true religion, and usher in a short golden age lasting seven, eight, or nine years before the end of the world. Odd...the Qurʾān doesn't even mention him.

Nothing is specific in this Islam belief, like God's Word is. This Madhi, Islamic god, has left people to guess of how to have eternal life, doesn't describe what "true religion" is, and gives NO plan of salvation.

1. Mahdi is a boy's name of Arabic origins.
2. It is said to be a religious name with connections to hadith literature.
3. In Islam, Mahdi is the prophesized messianic figure who will appear at the end of the world. Jesus already made Himself well known, proving Himself to be the real Messiah, performing many miracles. Then there were the 500 people who actually witnessed His death AND Resurrection. Mahdi has yet to come. That means no one has seen him. And these people popping up on YouTube or wherever, claiming to be Mahdi, cannot be him, because he said himself that he would only come at the End of the world. That would be AFTER the Battle of Armageddon, which is yet to come. That also means no one knows what he looks like yet. It would also mean that people who claim to have seen this Madhi god, are lying, because he hasn't even come yet. He couldn't have come earlier, nor disappesred in 878, as some have claimed.

@Renkon If Jesus was "just" a good man, or "just" a prophet, and NOT God Incarnate, that would make Him a liar, or a lunatic....NOT a [i]good[/i] man, because He claimed to be the Son of God and [i]proved[/i] it, when He was on earth. God is perfect and [i]cannot[/i] sin, lie, nor err. We can't have it both ways. To [u]not believe Jesus[/u], is to call His Father a liar, and we know [i]that's[/i] not true.

@Renkon One of the biggest differences for me is that Allah says "Die, in order to come to me."... while Jehovah God says, "I will die, so you can come to Me."

@Axeroberts
Interferes? Friend, God intervenes. That's what he does. He loves us and made us for fellowship with Him. It's never an "inconvrnience". He created us and therefore he is our Father, and as such, he [i]wants[/i] us to come to Him. He welcomes it. He told us to come to him when we need help or even just to fellowship with him. He's there for us 24/7.

@LadyGrace intervenes but not interfere. Our lives are random which is how it's been created. Therefore what we do has true meaning. And He is always with us through everything

@redredred God don't need an excuse, but you will, when you face Him and He asks you why you were so hateful to people and cursed and mocked Him. And you will do that, make no mistake. That's one appointment you'll have to keep and there's nothing you can do about it. We'll see how brave you are, then.

@GodSpeed63 I offered to do that to whatever standard of proof you set but you ran away because you know I can do it. My offer is still open if you have sufficient faith in your imaginary friend to accept it - https://similarworlds.com/spirituality/3339251-Does-any-christian-have-sufficient-faith-to-accept

@Sharon He ran away because he can't prove The Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't live. Therefore, as he says, the Truth remains and the FSM does live.

@4meAndyou
I agree.
Love, Light and Peace,
Scott