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What God wants us to know, more than anything right now..

What we don't know, ignore, or take the time to learn, can and DOES hurt us. The bible says wisdom and knowledge come from the Lord, as each creates a secure, successful life. When we neglect or ignore our spiritual side, we forfeit the most precious part of ourselves. A spirit which never dies, but was given to help us make the most important decision of our lives. Why so important? Because our choice of where we'll spend eternity, determines our eternal destination. So for spiritual matters, it is wise to consult the one who knows about such things, and lives there, in heaven.

I determine to answer people from my heart. Not what I think they want to hear. A true friend won't mess with people's head like that.

We're not here to assume other's motives. I've always said here, I love everyone here. I'm no better or smarter than anyone else, nor think myself higher, and I mean what I say. I simply know what I believe, and why. I think that's not only important to know about oneself, but crucial, when it comes to where we'll spend eternity.

The motive of any question in this forum, or not, is not always dark. It's to help the reader look beyond and challenge one's own thinking, examine their options, and understand both sides of a matter. Otherwise, we would never learn and grow. I've learned throughout my 75 years, that what I may think I know, doesn't necessarily mean I truly know, if I've limited myself, and am not willing to examine both sides of a subject...the pros and cons. The whole picture.

It is difficult to make an informed decision about anything in life, if we only know and yield to one side. We also do ourselves a great injustice. For example, I never would have believed someone could be "born-again". I thought those who claimed to be, were just faking it for attention. Insecure, perhaps. That is limited thinking...when we judge before we know and examine all the facts.

It is illogical to deprive oneself of knowledge, by stubbornly or pridefully concluding things are only one way, until each have examined without prejudice, both sides of a matter.

Many say there's no God. I checked Him out. When I did find Jesus, I was totally shocked and amazed at how unfair I had been to myself, by my own limited thinking. I learned we shouldn't knock or criticize any given thing, just because we may not understand it, or have no real knowledge of it. I found out real quick, what a great injustice I had done myself, simply by not being willing to at least explore, that which I did not understand, and that I wasn't NEAR as smart, as I thought I was.

However, to my utter amazement and shock, and without realizing such a thing was even possible, (so I wasn't looking for it...I just plain didn't know), that God is very real. When I took a good honest look at myself, I decided to get real and straight-up with God and give Him a chance to show me who He is. I talked to Him in prayer, and decided to give Him all my love and heart, instead of just half, and invited him into my life as my Savior, and that's exactly the moment he sent his Holy Spirit to cleanse, refresh, redeem, restore and transform my whole life and being. I will never forget it. My whole life was as if I was brand new, starting all over again. And it was. You can't help but experience that new (spiritual) birth, from darkness to light, when the Holy Spirit touches you, cleanses you, washes away your sins, and comes to stay with you.

God literally creates a new heart of love and peace inside you. What you're doing is accepting that your heart and spirit are tired and really dead inside, until Jesus makes our spirit come alive, with just one touch. This is not something a dead, sinful heart would or could, ever know...not until it is experienced.

The proof everyone seeks, is already there. It's just something we've not thought about or considered because we simply weren't aware. Those who never read their bible, naturally, wouldn't know of these things, unless....they either read God's Word, someone tells them, or they are seeking knowledge of Him and what He's all about. It's something we wouldn't spiritually understand, unless we experience it first-hand or in one of the above ways I just mentioned.

The "proof" therefore, is in the experience. It can't be mistaken. That's why faith is called for. Jesus fulfilled his mission on earth, then went back to his Father in heaven. Naturally, we can't experience meeting Him face-to-face, but He did leave his love and Holy Spirit in this world, should we decide to choose that lovely fellowship with Him.

His Holy Spirit is sweet and brings a peace thapassesunderstanding...until you invite Him into your heart and life and see for yourself. We are not only carnal beings. We have a spiritual side that must not be neglected, as well. That's why I speak of Him here. That's something I actually know and have experienced. And before I go, I want the people I love, to rest assured that God is indeed real. He's sinless, He is incapable of lying, and He wants to see everyone in the world, in heaven, where He's prepared a very lovely, sinless, ever peaceful and happy home for us. That's security. That's something we can count on. There's no lie that comes from His mouth. If there was, He couldn't claim to be God. That would make God a liar, and a stranger to heaven, because there is no sin in heaven. That's why it's called "Heaven". Because it truly is, and not one of us has to miss it. The second we say, "I believe you, Jesus. I want you as my Savior, too.", He cleanses our sins and makes our lives whole...making us fit to enter heaven, and sends His Holy Spirit to help us and guide us, as promised.

He's real. I wouldn't have bothered nor committed the last 46 years of my life to Him, if there was even a hint of doubt. He didn't leave us to guess. He came and taught, so we would know.
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@BlueSkyKing I enjoyed reading your thoughts. Thank you for sharing with me. I've read all the content in your replies, but I don't feel you've read mine, or you would have seen my answers.

Are you aware there's a spiritual side to you? You wouldn't be here today, if there wasn't. Since you admittedly don't know WHERE your spirit is going to end up when you die, that does not mean you CAN'T know where you'll end up when you die. Unless stubbornness or pride get in your way.

That's just it. You DON'T KNOW, what you don't know, yet you're more than willing to gamble with your own precious soul, that you're right. But what if you're wrong?? Call it "Pascal's Wager" all you like, but what HE didn't know, is that our eternal destination is no game, nor anything to chance! This is for real. Wonder what he'd tell us about his wager now? I'll wager we're sure to find out, only I'm not guessing.

ONE OF THE THINGS YOU DO KNOW. Death is very real. You're certainly convinced of THAT....Yet you don't understand everything about death either, except you know you're going to die, and you're not sure when or where you'll go. You're playing Russian Roulette with your soul. Just like that game, it only takes one shot to get it wrong and you'll lose your life, and that's what Satan is counting on. He has lied to you and deceived you, and you've bought it hook, line, and sinker. Before you die, you've got exactly one shot to get this right. I think you're smarter than to gamble with your soul. I hope so. The tragedy of all this, is that if you get this part of your life wrong, you're stuck forever. Is skepticism worth it?

Answer this: What shall a man profit, if he loses his own soul? Miracles are real, my friend. I've seen them and experienced them. Please tell me, what better way to know? There's no guessing to it. You mock the Bible. I didn't even need a Bible, to find that miracles are real. You only THINK I'm dishonest. You don't know that for sure.

Skepticism has been described by some as nothing but honesty. There's a flip-side to that. Not everyone is honest with themselves.

This is what I learned from your reply:

1. Man doesn't have proof there is no God. The proof is in the experience of a personal relationship with Jesus.

2. Man doesn't know as much as he thinks he does, due to his finite thinking.

3. Some so-called "geniuses" lack common sense, certain knowledge, and definitely make mistakes. So what they say is not necessarily "gospel", reliable, or even the truth. It only shows they lack knowledge and study in certain subjects, they may think they know about, but don't have a clue. That doesn't necessarily mean they're literate in religion. What if they're wrong? Does their ego allow for considering that?

4. Those who have not studied nor considered certain subjects, cannot claim intelligent deduction, then turn around and call another delusional, unreasonable, imaginative, nutty, or just plain stupid.

5. Man can write a thousand books and still be clueless.

6. What better teacher, than personal experience?

7. What one experiences, but the other don't, doesn't give the latter, the right to judge, or call them dishonest.

8. Not all have the exact experience. Not even HOW Christ interacts with them. That's why it is a personal relationship.

9. Mankind does himself a grave, sad injustice, if he ignores the free gift of salvation, for the simple reason he doesn't "understand" it all.

10. There's a way that "seems" right to man, but the end thereof, brings physical and spiritual death and seperation from God, as his own SINS keep him condemned, without forgiveness.

11. If man is such a genius, why hasn't he created real humans yet? In spite of all the efforts of all the scientific laboratories around the world working over many decades, they have not been able to produce so much as a single human hair. How much more difficult is it to produce an entire body consisting of some 100 trillion cells!

Up to now, Darwinian evolutionists could try to counter their detractors with some possible explanations for the complexity of life. But now they have to face the information dilemma: How can meaningful, precise information becreatedby accident — by mutation and natural selection? None of these contain the mechanism ofintelligence,a requirement for creating complex information such as that found in the genetic code.

12. Looking around the world, it's not hard to see that evil is very real. It wasnt that way, until man sinned by CHOICE.

13. Here's some illogical thinking for you. Jesus did all that agonizing suffering on the cross to save us from hell, yet is dead-set on sending us there. Mmhmm. That type thinking is an oxymoron. Makes no sense at all.

14. Just because WE weren't there when Jesus died, was buried, then rose from the grave, does not mean He's a lie. I guess the 500 people who saw him resurrect before their very eyes into heaven, with some writing the event down, were "all delusional". 🙄🤦‍♀️

15. No matter how many times it's said, God's Word is still perfect. And though man tries his best to mess it up, its TRUTHS and messsge still stands ... even today. Many have tried to destroy it, but they never could. It still reaches around the world and this world may pass away, but God's words shall never pass away.

And last, but not least....

IF GOD IS NOT REAL, THEN WHY DO SOME ATHEISTS AND AGNOSTICS AROUND THE WORLD, FIND HIM AND ARE TRANSFORMED BY HIS LOVE, SAVING GRACE, AND POWER?

Yet, if man does not WANT to find God, no explanation of Him in this world, shall suffice, and no excuse that mankind "didn't know" shall suffice...for the simple reason, He did. Jesus promised, that before He comes back, not one person on earth, shall miss the opportunity to hear the gospel of Jesus Christ.

There are none so [spiritually] blind, than those who cannot see their sin. Jesus is the remedy. Believe that or not, but think carefully. Your eternal destination depends on you. Jesus came to love and save you, if you'll let him. He turns no one away.
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@BlueSkyKing To make that statement about honesty more clear, because I see you mistook my meaning, here is what I meant. Skepticism has been described by some as nothing but honesty. That was your theory, as you did call me dishonest. There's a flip-side to that. Not everyone is honest with themselves. That's the point, because you claim believers are not honest. That can apply to either side.

Yes. You read. But you didn't hear. You call God "foolishness" but what you don't understand, that the "foolishnes" of God is wiser than any man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than any man's strength. 1 Corinthians 2:14

The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are FOOLISHNESS to him, and he cannot understand them,
BECAUSE they are spiritually discerned. One cannot understand the things of God if they don't know him, as you have admitted. You want nothing to do with him. That is obvious from all your criticism of him. Criticize me all you want, but I'm not going to participate when you stop so low as to make fun of a God you dont know. This conversation is permanently closed to you. You don't know how to have a discussion without childish criticism, falsifying information, or attacking one's character and words. Goodbye.
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@BlueSkyKing Your theories and criticisms about me and especially God, are so untruthful and full of holes, I could indeed, write a book about WHY. Especially about me and my God, which you insult, without [admittedly], knowing anything about God. If that's not limited thinking, I don't know what is.

You'll read and believe a hundred books from agnostic authors, who don't even know or have even explored God...let alone be in a position to critique Him. Especially Pascal. It makes perfect sense to take someone's word about God, though they know absolutely nothing about him. You said you don't know God. That's why you cannot understand Him. Your judgment of Him is critically flawed.

You call God "foolishness" but what you don't understand, is that the "foolishnes" of God is wiser than any man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than any man's strength. 1 Corinthians 2:14

The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are FOOLISHNESS to him, and he cannot understand them, BECAUSE they are spiritually discerned. One cannot understand the things of God if they don't know him, as you have admitted. You want nothing to do with him. That is obvious from all your criticism of him. Criticize me all you want, but I'm not going to participate when you stop so low as to make fun of a God you dont know. This conversation is permanently closed to you. You don't know how to have a discussion without childish criticism, falsifying information, or attacking one's character and words.

You don't believe in God or heaven, yet you speak of a hell you imagine God can't wait to throw people in. You clearly do not know God nor His character. You're looking at life and the things of God, through critical, spiritually dark, distorted lens, because you don't know the real truth of Him or why He came. Making God out to be some kind of maniacal, manipulative monster, only out to kill people and throw them in hell. This is what happens when one has no true understanding about God and try to put Him in a box of imagination with nothing to base it on.

You say you can't believe in God because he's unknowable and there's no proof he's alive. Yet you believe in death, without knowing what's on the other side. You're going somewhere after you die, but don't know where. Jesus said you can be sure about where you're going. Don't you think it would be wise to check that out? Eternity is a long time to get it wrong. And that's not a threat. That's Jesus trying to save you. Jesus wants us to know, not guess how to have eternal life in heaven...so you DON'T MISS IT. And I've explained and explained to you why you would miss it, but you refuse to listen. I told you what Jesus said, not me... I don't make the standards or rules and neither do you. No one's that smart. But you've got it stuck in your head that God throws people into hell if they don't believe in him. Nothing could be further than the truth.

Religion is nothing but man-made philosophy. Religion is confusing and messed up, because confusion comes from Satan. He wants us to believe we can't have a relationship with God. But religion didn't die on the cross to save us from our sins. Jesus did, and that's why it's called a personal relationship.

Jesus shows us the way, because He KNOWS the way, and He knows your way doesn't work, if you're going to try and drag your sins into heaven. Jesus wants to cleanse you of them, so you can lose the condemnation SIN has placed on you. Not GOD. He's doing nothing but trying to save you from the consequences SIN has placed on you, but you want nothing to do with that. So that means, you'll walk out of this world with your sins still attached, and STILL separating you from God. That won't get you to heaven.

When one is unfamiliar with the spiritual realm and unwilling to take a real look at it, then call themselves a realist, that's concerning. In reality, you are practicing limited thinking, just because you don't understand something, so you just ignore, neglect, then turn to criticize, for lack of understanding. That's not discussion. Since when, can you read my mind and know my experiences? There's a flip-side to skepticism. Not everyone, skeptic or not, is honest with themselves. With honesty, comes healthy thinking and the willingness to look at all sides, if we're going to be fair and honest with ourselves. Otherwise, it's a one-way street that leads to a dead-end. Moreover, if we are fair and honest with ourselves, and find our thoughts to be questionable after discussing with people, we must be willing to explore that person's ideas to see if we're really being open and honest with ourselves. Really examine and study them carefully, to see if we are, indeed, thinking logically and truthfully with ourselves. Otherwise, we'll just stay in the dark.

Do you know something I don't? Then SHOW me where I'm wrong. Prove it, and I'm all ears!! If I'm wrong, I'll be mature enough and smart enough to be the first to listen and learn. It is foolish to think we are always right and know it all. If I'm wrong, I'll be the first to not only admit it, but change my thinking for the betterment of myself and my life. The Truth sets one truly FREE. You mock my salvation experience as fallible thinking and fantasy. Prove your verbal accusations. That's on you. You can't, because it was not you, who experienced it. And just because you don't believe it or can't understand my experience, does not mean it's untrue or that I imagined it. You can't know that. That's only critical thinking without basis or truth.

Check anyone and everything out for yourself though, before making fun and downplaying their words or experince. Get to the truth before coming to premature conclusions. That's what the Jimmy Jones cult was all about. People blindly following, without checking things out! And it cost them their lives.

Whether I think I know something or not, I'm aware that there's a possibility I could be deceiving myself, so I definitely look at all sides before I make an informed decision about anything. That's constructive, healthy, and logical thinking. One-sided thinking is not healthy. It is true that my truths are not your truths, nothing wrong with that, but at least I read and listen before concluding something or someone is wrong, based on an open mind, without prejudice.

Your adage, "If it’s not science, it’s superstition". It simply works well for me.",... is limited thinking. It very well may work for you here, but Jesus said that doesn't work in the spiritual realm.

A little science, estranges us from God. A lot of science, brings us back.

Man tells God, "I'll do it MY way!"
God says, "If you're so smart, have it your way."


leowander · M
A lovely post I enjoyed reading.
@leowander Thank you, brother.
What we don't know, ignore, or take the time to learn, can and DOES hurt us.

Hello, this is the memory capacity department; the above implication is impossible for any one person. We recommend you don't try to learn everything there is to learn.

Thank you, and good day. May the Divines guide you.
@Amyrakunejo 😂 Your memory department may need either more attention or new batteries. But that was a good one, I'll admit. 😂🤭 I think God would remind you that the choice of ignorance, is not bliss, and nothing is impossible with God. Nor will indifference, get you where you need to go.
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@Amyrakunejo And that's why I left it up to your discretion.
mylasttimehere · 26-30, M
There's no God.

You said he's real. Prove it to me
@mylasttimehere Read my post and you'll see my answer. 🤗

 
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