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To my atheist friends, The logic of science can not be denied under the microscope, but many deny what they see, CRAZINESS IS HAPPENING! [Spirituality & Religion]

An excellent video about logic and and evolution and what is happening under the microscope
[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK1Ee8INntE]
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HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
This guy is very tedious. As a Catholic, I believe in God. I also have a degree in Biology, and believe in the biological evolution of life.

Science and the belief in God is not mutually exclusive.

But there is no way I can sit through this sermon.
Carazaa · F
@HoraceGreenley The possibility that a cell, or a protein came about by chance is none! It is less than 10 to the 164th power, impossible!
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@Carazaa It's been done in the laboratory
Carazaa · F
@HoraceGreenley By itself? NO! With human help from nothing? NO!
rob19 · M
@Carazaa [quote]It is less than 10 to the 164th power,[/quote]
Show your working. Do you realise that, if true, your argument proves the opposite of what I suspect you're attempting to prove?
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@Carazaa Conditions in the lab simulated conditions on earth billions of years ago
Carazaa · F
@HoraceGreenley OK so you tell me how the first cell happened?
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@Carazaa First, simple proteins formed, then self organizing proteins like RNA. Once that occurred, structures that are today cellular organelles, like mitocondria,formed from the self replicating proteins. These structures then formed symbiotic relationships creating simple cells. More structures were incorporated over time forming more complex cells.
Carazaa · F
@HoraceGreenley Simple proteins formed???? From where?????
Carazaa · F
@HoraceGreenley RNA from where???? Are you kidding???
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@Carazaa Atoms of hydrogen, carbon, nitrogen. Phosphorous Etc., were present in the atmosphere. Water was also present with dissolved elements. Under pressure, with high temperatures these elements formed compounds and then proteins like amino acids. This process of inorganic elements forming organic compounds and molecules has been replicated in the laboratory
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@Carazaa Organic molecules and amino acids
@Carazaa Here’s the explanation.
[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNijmxsKGbc]
Carazaa · F
@BlueSkyKing And who made the building blocks of life and who made that lab 😂
@Carazaa It’s shows how the organic materials for life are everywhere in the universe.
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@Carazaa God created the universe with the Big Bang. The material universe evolved from that point including biological evolution.

So God created the universe and everything in it including life.

I find this process far more majestic and interesting than any other creation method.

God is the Creator.
rob19 · M
@HoraceGreenley [quote]God is the Creator.[/quote]
So where did God come from? If it can exist without a creator, there's no reason to suppose the universe needed a creator.
Carazaa · F
@rob19 God says he is a spirit. Matter, everything we see will burn but everything we don't see is eternal!
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@rob19 But the universe cannot exist without a Creator. No way to explain what made the Big Bang.
rob19 · M
@HoraceGreenley [quote]But the universe cannot exist without a Creator.[/quote]
Why not? You seem to believe "the creator" can exist without a creator.
rob19 · M
@Carazaa [quote]Matter, everything we see will burn but everything we don't see is eternal![/quote]
We don't see quantum singularties so you admit the one that expanded to form this universe is eternal. Therefore your hypothetical "creator" is superfluous to requirements.
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@rob19 That's the obvious trap. A Big Bang that formed our universe came from an inflationary bubble in an existing universe.

That begs the question as to the origin of the preexisting universe.

Even if you buy into this idea, science cannot explain the conditions or mechanics of the inflationary bubble arising from an existing universe.

Nor does this explanation address the origin of the preexisting universe.

Even if that universe is eternal, this is not a ver satisfactory solution.

So we are back where we started.
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@rob19 This universe is not eternal, whether it expands forever or collapses in a Big Crunch.
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@rob19 Your answer indicates that you don't understand the physics.
Carazaa · F
@HoraceGreenley How was the earth formed? You tell me?
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@Carazaa The short answer is gravitational accretion