More science which destroys Young Earth Creationism and the food. Today: Elephants disprove the Flood myth! [Spirituality & Religion]
The diversity of Proboscideans (the group to which elephants and several extinct species belong) makes the Flood myth utterly impossible.
The first problem is one of diversity. Since creationists must rely on the non-scientific category "kind" as a rescue device for having far fewer animals on the Ark, this means that at most 2 or 3 members of Proboscidea would have been included. Unfortunately that means that all the members of this order must have diversified after the flood AND THE MATH DON'T ADD UP. To achieve the observed diversity then there would have to be one new species of Proboscidean in EVERY generation which has never been observed even in the fasted reproducing animals like fruit flies or bacteria. [b][c=1F5E00]Strike one.[/c][/b]
The second problem is that even if the creationist only includes a couple members of Proboscidea AND assumes they are juvenile animals AND assumes a metabolic rate as if they were sleeping the whole time THEN 60% OF THE AVAILABLE SPACE ON THE ARK would still be required to feed and house them. Doesn't leave much room, yeah? [b][c=804600]Strike two[/c][/b]
The last problem is obvious and simple: If that level of rapid diversification is impossible and then the creationist must have many MORE "kinds" of Proboscidean on the ark which takes that already crippling 60% to something more like 400% [b][c=800000]Steeeerike three[/c][/b]
Math disproved it for me. We are not talking of the 10,000,000 animals fitting onto the ark in the first place, & not naturally eating each other. Or Noah having enough food & water to feed & hydrate 10,000,000 animals & his family.
The math problem was the rainwater itself. Just how much water are we talking about? Genesis 7:20 says that the waters submerged the world’s highest mountains under 15 cubits of water. That means that flood covered Mount Everest, which is 29,028 feet tall & getting a bit taller every day, with 22 feet of water.
So let's resolve the math: You start out by assuming that the Earth is a perfect sphere, it’s not, but this is a fair assumption.
The volume of a sphere is easy to calculate: V = 4/3πr³
The Earth has a radius of 3959 miles. Now we need to know the radius of the flood. This is simply the Earth radius, plus the height of Everest, plus 15 cubits (22ft).
So 3959 miles + 29,028 ft +22 feet = 3959 miles + 29050 feet = 3959 miles + 5.5018939 miles = 3964.5018939 miles
If we plug those two radii in to our volume formula, we get the volumes: 259,923,241,564 miles³ for the volume of the Earth. 261,008,408,332 miles³ for the volume of the Earth at flood.
When we subtract the Earth volume from the flood volume, we’ll get the volume of water required to fill that space. That’s how much it would need to rain.
That actually turns out to be 1,085,166,768 miles³of rain.
Now, we will be generous & reduce that by 25% because the land, mountains, etc. occupy some of that volume, & all that space would not be filled with water.
The 25% figure is generous since oceans, which by definition sit at sea level, cover 70% of the earth and the rest of the earth isn’t nearly as high as Everest. But let’s grant the creationist this small charity.
That means that there had to be 813,875,076 miles³ of rain for the biblical flood. To put that in perspective, the oceans have about 321,000,000 miles³ of water.
All the water on earth only adds up to about 332,500,000 miles³...so yeah, there that little problem to start with.
So for the biblical flood to have happened, the water on Earth had to miraculously multiply by an average of 250%. But what would that look like though?
The Atlantic Ocean is (give or take) 80,000,000 miles³. That means, there needed to be more water than could be contained by ten Atlantic Oceans to rain as much as the bible claims.
Another way to look at it is that there's 5.9978178 x 10^-⁷ Olympic pools in a cubic mile. That means an Olympic pool is about 0.00000059978178 cubic miles.
Now we divide that 813,875,076 miles³ by that decimal, & you will discover that, for the bible to be true, it would have needed to have rained the equivalent of almost 1.35 QUADRILLION Olympic swimming pools.
This raises one final point, where in GOD's great name did all that water go?
If the rain volume cannot be resolved; then you must start to question the veracity of the bible & the stories within.👌
@L33TH4X0R Great work and let me ask a follow-up question. If 1.35 quadrillion Olympic pools worth of rain fell over 960 hours (40 days and 40nights) and assuming 4 drops to the CC, what do you think was the average velocity of a raindrop?
Well when they're back is against a wall i think you're right. But many of them enjoy claiming legitimacy of science when they think it will serve them.
Nah not trying to discredit god. Pay attention. I'm only discrediting a fringe interpretation of the bible held by you and people like you and only because people like who insist on stealing the legitimacy of science when it suits you.
That was your one freebie btw. Unless you're going to beg for a mulligan you need to leave.
You are assuming a lot of things that is not necessarily true. Many animals might have gone extinct BEFORE the flood, the animas that God brought on the ARC could have been babies. and since animals adapt quickly not millions of years after the flood there is absolutely no doubt that The Biblical account is true. They multiplied but among its own kind, among it's own species! Just as God told us.
[quote]Many animals might have gone extinct BEFORE the flood[/quote]
How does this mesh with the explanation of the fossil record as laid down by the flood? How do you distinguish animals that went extinct pre flood vs during the flood? Creationists maintain that the fossil layers represent the order in which animals were overtaken by the flood. For example mollusks and crustaceans are on the bottom because they were on the ocean floor and therefore covered first. Reptiles come before mammals because they're crawling and slow and other such nonsense. So under that model, wouldn't you expect to see these proboscidean and many other animals in layers [i]below [/i]these "flood" remains?
[quote]the animas that God brought on the ARC could have been babies. and since animals adapt quickly[/quote]
These two suggestions are already refuted in the body of the post.
To repeat the argument: Even assuming a SLEEPING BABY the required food and housing still takes up 60% of available space on the Ark. (btw, that's assuming the most nutrient dense food possible). 60% of the space for only a couple "kinds". Doesn't leave much room for the other kinds, does it? As for "adaptation" happening more quickly, the required rate of speciation FAR exceeds anything ever observed. A new species EVERY GENREATION. Do you think two of the same species can mate and produce and entirely new species? That goes against both evolution AND creationism.😜 So even if you think diversification is occurring much faster than what is expected on an evolutionary time frame, it would still have to be happening impossibly fast to achieve the observed species diversity.
