5 Lies Theists Tell About Atheists. Might be worth a look for some of you religious types to get more of an insight on the Atheist position. [Spirituality & Religion]

@GodSpeed63
*sigh*

Atheists are people who don't believe that a god/gods exist. Many such living people exist and placing value on things like money or fame or any other "idol" does not mean that said person believes that this "idol" has agency/consciousness.
That is to say they do not believe in a god by any meaningful definition of the term even if you maintain that such "idols" have taken the place of a god in their hearts,

tl;dr lol piss off. You know the people to whom the word atheist is being applied.
Stop demanding that your narrow, fringe definition be accepted as legitimate.

Now then.

[quote]Did it ever occur to you skeptics that you're believing your own lies?[/quote]

What do you mean by this? Can you elaborate?

@Pikachu I took a break from here for a few months. Came back to find that @GodSpeed63 is still stuck in the same old routine. Looks like nothing has changed.

@Bushranger

Well he's set in his ways lol

@Pikachu @Bushranger [quote]What do you mean by this? Can you elaborate?[/quote]

Well, you believe that you're atheists, which you are not. As long as you're alive, you'll have some type of god or gods you believe in and you'll always have faith.

You also believe that Yahweh, the one true God who lives forever, is dead even though you have not proven that.

You also believe that your pseudo science has proven evolution even when science itself points to God.

You keep saying that we haven't given any evidence that Yahweh lives when He, Himself, has already done so.

Shall I go on?

Hi, @GodSpeed63. It's good to see that some things never change; provides a sense of stability in this crazy, mixed up world 😀.

@GodSpeed63

[quote]Shall I go on?[/quote]


You say that us atheists believe that Yahweh is dead even though we can't prove it.
I want you to engage with me honestly here and see if we can truly understand the position that the other is coming from.
Worth a try, yes?

So i think i get your side: You know god is real and believe that the evidence for this is self evident and undeniable. You reject any evidence or science which appears to contradict your creationist ideology as false.
Correct me if i'm wrong.

Based on your characterization of the atheist position, i don't think you've earnestly made an effort to understand what our point of view is.
Please state here what you believe to be the position of the atheist/skeptic/whatever you want to label people who don't believe that your god exists.

We'll go from there.🙂✌️

@Pikachu Not forgetting that @GodSpeed63 is an atheist in terms of every other god out there. But it will be interesting to see what his response will be.

@Bushranger

Well i predict i'm going to have to be very patient and coax him into responding fully and meaningfully but i would genuinely like to see if we can get to a point where he actually understands our side of it even if he doesn't agree with it.

@Pikachu Best of luck with that 🤣. Understanding requires some degree of acceptance (empathy?) which I don't think he is capable of experiencing. But we will see.

@Bushranger

Ah, i'm feeling patient at the moment. We'll see how long it lasts lol

@Pikachu I do admire your patience. But, seriously, how long can you keep it up?

@Bushranger

First, that's what she said.
Second, we'll see lol. Really it depends on how honestly i feel the other person is engaging with me.

@Pikachu What gets me is the misunderstanding of atheism which is at the heart of his and others' comments. As a group, Atheists don't believe in God or Gods. Some believe that there are no Gods, others that there is not enough evidence that Gods exist, and all the various shades of definition in between. As much as people like @GodSpeed63 would like to lump us all in the same category, it just can't be done. How would they feel if we made the statement that all Christians are Catholics? It's the same type of argument.

@Bushranger

Totally valid...but now i'm going to have to re-post my initial invitation because he damn sure will be responding to this stuff rather than the actual question i've asked lol

@Pikachu Ooops, sorry. I forgot about his inability to stay on track.

@Pikachu [quote]You say that us atheists believe that Yahweh is dead even though we can't prove it.[/quote]

No, I said that you skeptics say that Yahweh is dead but can't prove it.

[quote]You know god is real and believe that the evidence for this is self evident and undeniable. You reject any evidence or science which appears to contradict your creationist ideology as false. [/quote]

You're partly right. I am certain that God is real and believe that the evidence for this is self evident and undeniable. You're wrong in saying that I reject any evidence or science which appears to contradict what I believe is true. There is no evidence or science that contradict what I know is true for me to reject.

[quote]Based on your characterization of the atheist position, i don't think you've earnestly made an effort to understand what our point of view is.[/quote]

The atheist position is 6 feet under a headstone. As for understanding each other, what efforts are you making to understand where we're coming from? If you want us to understand where you're coming from, then quit the bull manure and let's have some decent conversations for a change.

@GodSpeed63 [quote]There is no evidence or science that contradict what I know is true for me to reject.[/quote]

Only because you chose to reject it.

@GodSpeed63

[quote]No, I said that you skeptics say [/quote]

*sigh*

[i]Again[/i], Call us skeptics if you want. We're talking about the same group of people.

[quote]You're wrong in saying that I reject any evidence or science ... There is no evidence or science that contradict what I know is true for me to reject.[/quote]

Ok...
Not gonna touch that one. I think the issues are self-evident.

[quote]As for understanding each other, what efforts are you making to understand where we're coming from?[/quote]

Well i just detailed where i believe you are coming from and you agreed that i was mostly correct, only taking issue with your position on evidence.
So...if i'm mostly correct in my understanding of your position, i've evidently made a (largely) successful effort, yes?

[quote] The atheist position is 6 feet under a headstone.[/quote]

Is that what you consider and HONEST attempt to understand our position?
I already made it clear (atheist/skeptic/whatever) that the label is not important. Please show me you have a genuine interest in honest dialogue.

[quote] If you want us to understand where you're coming from, then quit the bull manure and let's have some decent conversations for a change.[/quote]

Couldn't agree more. Let's not get distracted by labels and focus instead on the beliefs.

So please state here what you believe to be the position of the atheist/skeptic/whatever you want to label people who don't believe that your god exists.

The floor is yours🙂

@Pikachu [quote]We're talking about the same group of people.[/quote]

Whatever. 🙄

[quote]So...if i'm mostly correct in my understanding of your position, i've evidently made a (largely) successful effort, yes?[/quote]

Very good. Now if you can eliminate the ridiculing, the mocking, and acting worse than a jackass, it will be of great improvement.

[quote]Is that what you consider and HONEST attempt to understand our position?[/quote]

That's right. If you guys want to view yourselves as atheists, I can't stop you but don't try to convince me that you're atheists. Okay?

[quote]Couldn't agree more. Let's not get distracted by labels and focus instead on the beliefs.[/quote]

Agreed.

@GodSpeed63 https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheist

Says nothing about scepticism.

@GodSpeed63. "In fact, 'atheism' is a term that should not even exist. No one ever needs to identify himself as a 'non-astrologer' or a 'non-alchemist'. We do not have words for people who doubt that Elvis is still alive or that aliens have traversed the galaxy only to molest ranchers and their cattle. Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make in the presence of unjustified religious beliefs"
[i]Sam Harris[/i]

@Bushranger @newjaninev2 [quote]Says nothing about skepticism.[/quote]

So?

[quote]Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make in the presence of unjustified religious beliefs"[/quote]

We don't have religious beliefs, only what we know is true.

@GodSpeed63 So everyone is completely correct about anything they believe?

Or is it only you and your ilk?

@newjaninev2 [quote]So everyone is completely correct about anything they believe?[/quote]

No, only in what Yahweh has established to be true. What can any of us profit by believing in lies?

@GodSpeed63


[quote]Agreed.[/quote]

Good. So we're not arguing about labels anymore. Lovely.

So now that we've established that, can you share you [i]honestly[/i] believe to be the position of people like me?
Don't trying to be insulting or belittle or criticize, just share the honest impression you have of our position in the same way that i attempted to honestly represent your own position.

Go ahead.🙂