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ArishMell · 70-79, M
I am from a fairly relaxed Anglican background and don't remember very much how I was taught about the faith, but I think we were taught the Old Testament myths very simply as just the Ancient Hebrews' beliefs.
It was [i]Christianity[/i], i.e., what the Apostles took of Jesus' preaching and what they believed of his life and divinity, that was important.
It was [i]Christianity[/i], i.e., what the Apostles took of Jesus' preaching and what they believed of his life and divinity, that was important.
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hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@newjaninev2 Oh look our favorite saturnite loon is back. Too bad she won't just stay in the rings.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@hippyjoe1955 [quote]there was no way life as we know it could ever have simply evolved[/quote]
It’s difficult to separate oil and dirt, so therefore evolution is impossible?
Umm...
It’s difficult to separate oil and dirt, so therefore evolution is impossible?
Umm...
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@hippyjoe1955 Desperate as you are to avoid addressing my points, surely you can do better than such drivel. Come on, make an effort. Find something germane, or at least something that has some sort of meaning. Why are you talking about Saturn?
JBird · F
As a child, I found it hard to believe considering there were too many animals that could fit the ark and they survive the whole journey without killing each other. Later I found out in the Bible, it took more than hundred years to build the ark and Noah was still alive. And it sparked a doubt in the faith I used to have.
JBird · F
@Speedyman [quote]
We know that people did live much longer
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More than 200 years? Wow, now that's a first. You absolutely have no idea about history, do you? You have to go to extreme to lie about it because most human fossils scientists received recorded their age of time of death is not more than 50. Maybe you could open up your tiny little mind and consider that most humans at that time do not live more than that because there was no advanced medicines. But no, you accuse me of not thinking out of box while you are fixated on the idea that flood was real when you have no proof of it
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Interesting that pt engineers actually did calculations on the ark and calculated it would float.
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Wow, you truly live up to the name of Christians because you are dumb and ignorant. I said, with the measurement of the ark, it can't fit millions of species of animals present at that time inside it. Get that in your dumb mind. You talk about thinking out of box. But you haven't faintest idea what it is. It doesn't mean you can make up things without any connection to facts. Why do I have to waste my time talking to idiots like you?
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You4 problem is your mind is stuck in the 21st century
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Excuse me, you don't have any idea how present world works. You still believe the things written from an ancient book and you dare to talk to me like that. You still believe God created universe, heaven hell existed and flood happened. Maybe if you use your brains and think rationally, you realise you're talking about yourself. Oh that's right, you idiots don't have brain. That is why you're a Christian 😂
Everytime you open your open it's nothing but lies, insults and hate. I am not surprised that what Christianity does to you.
We know that people did live much longer
[/quote]
More than 200 years? Wow, now that's a first. You absolutely have no idea about history, do you? You have to go to extreme to lie about it because most human fossils scientists received recorded their age of time of death is not more than 50. Maybe you could open up your tiny little mind and consider that most humans at that time do not live more than that because there was no advanced medicines. But no, you accuse me of not thinking out of box while you are fixated on the idea that flood was real when you have no proof of it
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Interesting that pt engineers actually did calculations on the ark and calculated it would float.
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Wow, you truly live up to the name of Christians because you are dumb and ignorant. I said, with the measurement of the ark, it can't fit millions of species of animals present at that time inside it. Get that in your dumb mind. You talk about thinking out of box. But you haven't faintest idea what it is. It doesn't mean you can make up things without any connection to facts. Why do I have to waste my time talking to idiots like you?
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You4 problem is your mind is stuck in the 21st century
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Excuse me, you don't have any idea how present world works. You still believe the things written from an ancient book and you dare to talk to me like that. You still believe God created universe, heaven hell existed and flood happened. Maybe if you use your brains and think rationally, you realise you're talking about yourself. Oh that's right, you idiots don't have brain. That is why you're a Christian 😂
Everytime you open your open it's nothing but lies, insults and hate. I am not surprised that what Christianity does to you.
JBird · F
ArishMell · 70-79, M
I regard it as just an ancient myth but I am amused by a piece of artwork it inspired: the sign for The Perseverance Inn, in the village of Staines, near London.
In the background, a very long way away across a broad desert plain, is Noah's Ark. Dominating the foreground, is one animal very determined not to miss the boat. It is a snail.
In the background, a very long way away across a broad desert plain, is Noah's Ark. Dominating the foreground, is one animal very determined not to miss the boat. It is a snail.
Adaydreambeliever · 56-60, F
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@westfield Indeed, though I'd be careful with the adjective "full".
Christianity is certainly based on what became Judaism, and Jesus and his contemporary followers were all Jews, so it would be absurd to ignore the Hebrew foundations whether you are religious or simply wish to understand the religion from without.
It then becomes a matter of teasing the real messages from the myths and parables; some of which probably came from older or parallel beliefs before being set down in writing.
Christianity is certainly based on what became Judaism, and Jesus and his contemporary followers were all Jews, so it would be absurd to ignore the Hebrew foundations whether you are religious or simply wish to understand the religion from without.
It then becomes a matter of teasing the real messages from the myths and parables; some of which probably came from older or parallel beliefs before being set down in writing.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Complexconfessions Actually spiders are beneficial to us but I can do without the mosquitoes!
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GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@canusernamebemyusername [quote]I wasn't "taught" anything other than read it for yourself.[/quote]
I'm sorry that no one taught you properly about the account. What do you think about the account?
I'm sorry that no one taught you properly about the account. What do you think about the account?
@GodSpeed63 World flood stories have been popular in many ancient cultures. Jews, Sumerians, Mesoamericans. But the logistics alone of the biblical flood are untenable. Says nothing about what the carnivores ate. The distance the animals would have to travel over separated continents. The relative small size of the ship holding 10 billion species and their food. Not to mention the sheer amount of fecal matter would have overwhelmed everything in a few days. The only way it could have all been done is goddidit.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@canusernamebemyusername Very true - and also there is nothing like the amount of water available on the planet for a Biblical- or [i]Waterworlds[/i] - volume inundation.
My guess is that like other OT myths, the story probably emerged from oral, local folk-tales; in this case about some particularly large but regional flood possibly many generations before the Hebrews wrote it down for their own purposes.
Where might have such flooding occurred, in the Middle East? Hard to know but two candidates would be the Nile Delta and the Tigris / Euphrates marshes.
(The latter gained its own Arab population, which I think Saddam Hussein tried to drive out - their life was described by Gavin Maxwell in his book [i]A Reed Shaken By The Wind[/i].)
I have seen suggestions that it refers to the post-glaciation se-level-rise entering the Mediterranean, but that is far too early, by some 7000 years. Also, even if the last glacial maximum took the Atlantic surfaces below the Straits of Gibraltar floor, the Sea would have been there, as a very deep, rather saline lake thanks to the many major rivers that enter the Caspian, Black and Mediterranean Seas.
So I think it was just a legend arising from much older but purely-regional events.
NB: Regarding the OT stories as myths, does [i]not [/i]mean you cannot still believe in God. The Hebrews just made the legends fit their religion!
My guess is that like other OT myths, the story probably emerged from oral, local folk-tales; in this case about some particularly large but regional flood possibly many generations before the Hebrews wrote it down for their own purposes.
Where might have such flooding occurred, in the Middle East? Hard to know but two candidates would be the Nile Delta and the Tigris / Euphrates marshes.
(The latter gained its own Arab population, which I think Saddam Hussein tried to drive out - their life was described by Gavin Maxwell in his book [i]A Reed Shaken By The Wind[/i].)
I have seen suggestions that it refers to the post-glaciation se-level-rise entering the Mediterranean, but that is far too early, by some 7000 years. Also, even if the last glacial maximum took the Atlantic surfaces below the Straits of Gibraltar floor, the Sea would have been there, as a very deep, rather saline lake thanks to the many major rivers that enter the Caspian, Black and Mediterranean Seas.
So I think it was just a legend arising from much older but purely-regional events.
NB: Regarding the OT stories as myths, does [i]not [/i]mean you cannot still believe in God. The Hebrews just made the legends fit their religion!
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
The truth.