Does the god of the bible allow human sacrifice or the sacrifice of children? [Spirituality & Religion]

@Speedyman

I think you're mistaken and i'll tell you why.

First and foremost, god accepted the sacrifice of Jephthah's daughter as payment of the bargain and that's a fact. He didn't have to but he did. He accepted a child sacrifice.
Secondly, since god is all knowing, god knew beforehand that the first thing to come out of Jephthah's house would be his daughter and he still gave him victory over his enemies. He accepted a child sacrifice.
Finally, calling it misguided zeal makes the strange assumption that god will accept offerings which offend him if they are done earnestly. Well that's just not true. We see this in 1 Samuel when Saul inappropriately makes burnt offerings and he is cursed: "How foolish!” Samuel exclaimed. “You have not kept the command the LORD your God gave you. Had you kept it, the LORD would have established your kingdom over Israel forever. But now your kingdom must end"

You can even characterize it as misguided zeal if you like but the fact remains that god knew Jephthah's daughter would be the sacrifice and he accepted that and gave Jephthah victory. That was god's will. Unless you think Jephthah somehow forced god's hand...

If you can, please restrict your rebuttal only to the subject and refrain from your customary focus on me.
Do your best.
Thanks🙂

Can I ask you where your Bible says God accepted the sacrifice? You are of course misguidedly assuming something as of your ignorance of the story. Once again you have demonstrated you have assumed something into the story which just isn’t there. God had specifically forbidden this sort of sacrifice which is why at the end of judges it says ‘every man did what was right in his own mind,’ The book of judges is there to illustrate what happens when men forget the law. Sorry but your assumptions are totally misguided. There you are I have totally rebutted your assumptions. I will not this time go into your obvious character disorders@Pikachu

Sorry I didn’t realise you got your stuff off of some ill informed guy’s website who preaches to the gullible. But it figures. But I guess you’re helping him in his mission of spreading misinformation. He needs guys like you. @Speedyman

@Speedyman

*sigh*

Can't remain civil for even a single post.
Accuses other people of having a personality disorder...

lol ok, speedy. That checks out.😏


I know you quickly get frustrated when you can't actually refute my points but do try again.

Sure:


Sorry, did that go over your head? God gave Jephthah victory in a bargain. The thing that was bargained with was accepted otherwise Jephthah would not have been granted victory. But it was accepted which is why the LORD delivered them into his hands".

It's basic logic. It's irrefutable....which is why you didn't refute it.
I agree that this acceptance of a child sacrifice is thematically problematic. That's why it's an interesting topic of discussion.

I'm afraid simply identifying the fact that there is a contradiction and then declaring that you have refuted the argument is quite insufficient.

@Speedyman

lol big talk. Go ahead and call into the show if you think you can prove him wrong. Or contact him in whatever way you want. If he's so ill informed (despite having trained to be a pastor) you should easily defeat him.
I'm betting you don't have the balls for that😁

@Pikachu If i remember correctly (i could be wrong). Its winning of the battle doesnt prove that God approved of the child sacrifice. A few verses later the sacrifice was counter balanced by the words of his own mouth and he lost his daughter for what he had done. I don't believe the won battle has anything to do with approval of what was done.

@Reverend


How could it mean anything else? He promised god that for victory he would sacrifice as a burnt offering the first thing that came out to meet him. God knew that this would be his only daughter. And then: "So Jephthah crossed over to the Ammonites to fight against them, and the LORD delivered them into his hands."

God knew that his daughter would be Jephthah's sacrifice and he delivered the Ammonites into his hands.
If he didn't accept Jephthah's daughter as a burnt offering then Jephthah would not have won.

@Speedyman

I want you to look at the way @purplepen engages in a debate with someone with whom she disagrees.
I want you to learn from it.
Realize that you can disagree 100% with someone and still remain civil. It's an important skill in real life, not just online. I use it in my day to day life. You can too.

Edit* and @Reverend too, for that matter. You could afford to learn something from both of them

@Pikachu I understand where your coming from with the questions you ask now that i think about it, and they are legitimate questions. What i would like for you to consider is, the Old Testament presents man in his fallen state before Christ. The Old Testament shows us how bad we really are and what we are capable of. Just because something is presented in the OT doesnt mean that God is supportive of it, that would be like saying its okay to have multiple wives because so and so did in the OT. Its the tragedy of who we are that proves how tolerant and forgiving God really is.

@Reverend


And i totally get that perspective of the OT. And i could be persuaded that many things in the OT are not supported by god just because they are in the bible.
But this is not one of those cases. This is NOT like saying god supports polygamy because polygamy was a common practice.
This is god making a bargain and delivering on the bargain which means he accepted that which was bargained...and that was the sacrifice of Jephthah's only daughter.

@Pikachu Im not sure how to answer your question/comment regarding it. I see what your saying as its in black and white lettering. Idk if this was suppose to be a learning experience for Jephthah or not. I would be drawing straws if i were to try. Im sure Jephthah was very careful on how he spoke and the words that came out of his mouth after this occurrence.

@Reverend

I don't know if it was meant to be a learning experience either.
But i do know that god accepted the sacrifice for the victory. Whatever the ends, the means was an accepted child sacrifice.

@Pikachu I just looked and i can't see any scripture where it says that God accepted his sacrifice. I cant agree that he did because that would be adding to scripture.

@Reverend

I think it's very clear.

Jephthah offered a sacrifice so that god would give him victory. God knew that, that sacrifice would be his daughter.

It says the lord delivered his enemies into his hands directly after the bargain was made. Can you offer an alternative explanation for what that means?

@Pikachu to me its not clear, its a difference in viewpoints i suppose. The victory was going to be his no matter what. He spoke himself what he was going to do for the victory. Can i say God accepted it because he won the battle? No, God knew he was going to win th battle no matter what. Free moral agency is something dangerous that man has been granted. Gods word says the tongue has the power of life and death, meaning a word spoken can come to pass. Jephthah could have simply prayed for victory and he would have won it, but by his swelling words he sacrificed his daughter in the end.

@Reverend


I don't know how you feel confident in making a claim like that.
It seems to me that it is very clear that victory is granted by god.

VS

Remember what you said not long ago?

Is that not exactly what you're doing here?
The bible does not say that Jephthah would have won regardless. It says that he made a bargain for victory over the Ammonites and that the lord delivered the Ammonites into his hands.

@Pikachu Your right the bible does not say what i stated, though im basing my assumption on the character of God. Im putting the emphasis on the man being the problem and not God. You have no problem with God knowing beforehand that his daughter was going to be the one to run to him first, but cant see how the victory was known by God before the words were spoken?

@Reverend


Correct.
Of course god knew that when he accepted the bargain.


Incorrect.
Of course god knew that Jephthah would have victory...because he knew that he would grant him victory in return for the sacrifice of his daughter.

I think you're mistaking the fact that god knows what is going to happen with the idea that it was a forgone conclusion. It would be adding to scripture to say that Jephthah would have won even if he didn't offer a sacrifice.
God did know that Jephthah would be victorious because he knew that Jephthah would offer a sacrifice in return for victory and he knew what that sacrifice would be and he accepted it.


I know. That's what christians do. And i understand why you do it.
God is faultless: the divine arbiter of justice and everything he does is by definition righteous. He is without flaw or contradiction....except that's exactly what appears to be going on here. So as a christian, you necessarily conclude that there is a mistake on our end and not god's.

@Reverend You are correct. God has nothing to do with it. God made no deal with him. It was his vow.

@SW-User exactly!

@Reverend He acts like he doesn't get the fact that this is only the scribes record of what happened. The scripture doesn't say God caused it to happen. It is only telling us what happened. I think the point of it is that Jephthah made a stupid vow that he should had never made. God never asked for a sacrifice in the first place. As the prophet Samuel said, "obedience is better than sacrifice."

@SW-User The sacrifice was entirely based on the words spoken. I dont believe for one second that God approved it or even accepted it.

Oh sigh. You can’t even read. It’s not a case of me being civil it’s a case of you not being able to read. The Lord delivered them into the hands of Jeptha but nowhere in the Scripture says that God except the sacrifice. You are apparently gleaning this off the website of an idiot atheist who doesn’t understand himself. I have looked at his website and he gets everything wrong anyway. The logic is irrefutable that God did not allow human sacrifice in the law and the fact is that Jeptha was tragically and misguidedly breaking the law in offering his daughter is a human sacrifice if in fact he did it. There are actually some commentators who believe she was offered to perpetual virginity. The problem is with you is that you’re like the fool in Proverbs who does like instruction. The fool who is wise in his own eyes. You listen to fools and of course you end up a fool yourself. You think you are smart but to anyone who knows anything about this you’re just a misguided twit. You really need to read the book of proverbs because you’re all over that - the fool who will not accept instruction. It really is quite pathetic@Pikachu

@Reverend This guy is a misguided fellow who cleans this stuff off of idiot atheist websites and then regurgitates it on here to try and look clever. He won’t be told. He really does think he knows it all

@Speedyman 😂 Sounds like spreading disinformation is their go-to market strategy. I remember when they were using their comparative mythology premise about the story of Jesus being taken from Egyptian mythology and how Jesus had all these things in common with Osiris. Some Christian scholar actually looked into it and found everything they said was untrue. There was no connection between Jesus and Osiris. Osiris was even born of a virgin as they claimed. On one website, they used the term "immaculate conception," 😂, they don't even know what that term means.

Then there's the claim that the 10 commandments were taken from the book of the dead, which has also been debunked.