Why weren't the Israelites able to conquer some of the cities in the promised land? [Spirituality & Religion]

@Speedyman

Because i'm reading through the bible, genius😆 I'm asking questions about what i'm reading. It's what thinking people do so you would't understand...

Ever since i pointed out your obsession with me and my posts, you've called me obsessed in literally every response you make.
Didn't know i'd cut you so deep there😂

No you appear to have a fetish. The question you hav no you appear to have a fetish. The question you have asked is easily answered if you read on in that the conquest lost the initial momentum. If you read on from Joshua and into judges it makes that clear@Pikachu]

@Speedyman

[quote]If you read on from Joshua and into judges it makes that clear[/quote]

lol yup. And i edited my original question to reflect that some 7 hours ago.
Although you appear to be wrong still. The campaign didn't lose moementum. God deliberately kept those enemies in place for the stated purposes of a) testing the Israelite's loyalty and b) making sure future generations still got some fighting practice.

[quote]No you appear to have a fetish. The question you hav no you appear to have a fetish[/quote]
[quote][b][i][i]Oh...discussing a book you're reading...a perfectly reasonable answer? NO ACTUALLY YOU HAVE A FETISH![/i][/i][/b][/quote]

lol see? I told you, you wouldn't understand it. 😉
You just keep nursing your wittle grudge and throwing your wittle fits, mmkay?😏

No it’s the way you go on reveals something about you. Anyway be that as it may you still appear to be failing to understand what is plain before you. If you actually read the text Joshua says that they had yet much land to conquer and he was elderly. The problem is you’re not reading it properly. Skim reading is not the way to do it@Pikachu

@Speedyman

Awww, sorry sport.
[i]Quickly googling[/i] is not the way to go [i][/i]either. It's much better to have an actual familiarity with the scripture. You should try reading it, it might help you to stop embarrassing yourself.
They didn't fail to capture these territories because Jashua was old. They failed to capture it within his lifetime. The [i]actual[/i] reason they didnt capture it is made plain. Here, allow me to educate you:

"I will use them to test Israel and see whether they will keep the way of the LORD and walk in it as their ancestors did."

"These are the nations the LORD left to test all the Israelites who had not known any of the wars in Canaan, 2if only to teach warfare to the subsequent generations of Israel, especially to those who had not known it formerly"


Hmm...just like i told you earlier...
lol why do [b][i]I[/i][/b] have to educate [b][i]you[/i][/b] about what's in [i]your own[/i] holy book?
Humiliating, yes?😥

Let me educate you my friend. It is because they didn’t capture them that the Lord said that he would use them to test Israel and to see whether they will keep the way of the Lord. You are putting the cart before the horse. You have missed that bit out. If you just look to the top of the page you’d have seen the answer. Don’t be in such a hurry pal @Pikachu

@Speedyman

[quote]You are putting the cart before the horse[/quote]

lol WRONG.

And it's obvious why.
God said to the Israelites that he would give their enemies over to them. That means THEY COULD NOT FAIL without his will dictating it. As we saw when they Attempted to take Ai but failed due to disloyalty.
Try to keep up now, sport: God didn't make that plan [i]because[/i] they failed. They [i]failed[/i] because god made that plan!
To suggest otherwise absurd and heretical and you only do so because you're humiliated by a non-believer schooling you on your own religion and you cannot stand to be wrong.
Fact.

Sorry, but i'm supported by scripture while you are only supported by your ego.
Observe:

"These are the nations the LORD [i][c=#BF0000][b]left[/b][/c][/i] to test all the Israelites"

Did you follow that? He [i]left[/i] them for a [i]stated purpose[/i]. They were not incorporated into a purpose after the fact because the Israelites failed to capture them.

See, this is why a superficial google does more harm than good, amateur.
But feel free to prove me wrong with the relevant scripture. I [i]DARE[/i] you😁
Go ahead and quote the scripture you feel disputes that....go on...

lol yeah, [i]thought[/i] not.
Schooled, kiddo😆👍

You areas usual wrong headed in your thinking because you have just googled the bit that your atheist friends on some dumb site did. If you read Judges 1:27f it says they pressed the Canaanitesinto forced labour but did not dirive them out completely as God had told them. The same happened with others of the tribes. Hence in Judges 2 God says by his messenger: ‘ I said, ‘I will never break my covenant with you, 2and you shall not make a covenant with the people of this land, but you shall break down their altars.’ Yet you have disobeyed me. Why have you done this?‘ hence it came to pass what a God had earlier told them: ‘ And I have also said, ‘I will not drive them out before you; they will become traps for you, and their gods will become snares to you.’ ”
See, little friend, it was disobedience that brought the situation about. You really need to read things properly before gloating about ‘Schooled kiddo!’ Some of us have been around a long time! But let me say it is more important to see the truth than to gloat over being ‘right’. Leave that for fools on atheist sites ‘@Pikachu

@Speedyman


lol it's just haliarious how hard you;re trying not be be wrong but you're [i]still[/i] wrong because the quotes you so obviously [i]just [/i]googled IN NO WAY contradict what i said: God said that he had LEFT THOSE NATION UNCONQUERED as a test of loyalty not BECAUSE of a lack of loyalty...which they failed and which you, little buddy, have just confirmed for me.😁👍
See, this is what your kind always does. You quote mine and it's obvious.

If you read on, you see the purpose CLEARLY STATED:

"I will no longer drive out before them any of the nations Joshua left when he died. 22In this way I will test whether Israel will keep the way of the LORD by walking in it as their fathers did.”

23[c=#BF0000][b]That is why the LORD had left those nations in place [/b][/c]and had not driven them out immediately by delivering them into the hand of Joshua.
Are you finally getting it? To test them was why the nations were left, not as a result of failure.
This is [i]explicitly[/i] stated and no amount of quote mining will change that.


lol do you ever get tired of being schooled by a non believer? How humiliating for you...

[quote]*gloating* See, little friend, it was disobedience that brought the situation about. You really need to read things properly before gloating....But let me say it is more important to see the truth than to gloat over being ‘right’[/quote]

Haaaaahahahaha! you adorable little hypocrite.😭

Here is where you don’t get it at all of course. You are just called you one verse and leaving the rest unread. You are not even trying to deal with the verses I quoted to you. All you seem to be doing is you’re obsessed by a verse you’ve found on the Internet. You really need to read things properly because obviously you’re a complete airhead who believes everything you read if it happens to coincide with your own light thinking. The one thing you have to do when you read ancient text is to actually read the whole thing including the blessings and curses in Deuteronomy which tell of the blessings that would happen to the IsraeliteS if they follow the Lord and what would happen if they didn’t. I can ask you are you finally getting it because you seem to have this mental block in your thick head in that when you get something into your head it can’t be removed by logical argument? If anybody is a hypocrite as you because you’re just not prepared to read the Bible as it is rather than your own stupid interpretation of it to try and make what you think it is happened. In other words you’re in the complete same position as people like Richard Dawkins Who are highly selective in what they read and then parrot it out To suit their own prejudices. Never mind you’re in good company I suppose@Pikachu

@Speedyman

I know you think you can dismiss me by saying i've just google this or heard it from some monstrous atheist group but the fact is that this point is just going over your head.
You're actually agreeing with me and you don't even get it😂

Do you get it, yet? Everything you're saying is just "god had a plan for why these cities and territories would not be captured"
We AGREE on that!
That plan was: the Israelite will fail to capture these places for so that god can test them and train them.
NOT, as you said because Joshua was old and the campaign stalled.

Anything else?🙂

You still haven’t answered my point. Do you need anything? Answer my point use silly idiot@Pikachu

@Speedyman

What point did you feel you made that i haven't answered?
Honestly, i think your confusion lays in the fact that god says all sorts of bad things are going to happen if the Israelites stray...which of course they do.
But in this particular instance, god [i]explicitly[/i] states that the reason that the Israelites were unable to drive out certain people was that they were meant to be a test and a source of training.

I don't know why you're denying that.

[quote] use silly idiot[/quote]
😂👍

lol sorry for bringing it up but I just love when people make fools of themselves while calling someone else stupid😁

The problem is you never seem to be able to give a proper answer because you never seem to be able to understand as your understanding seems to be less than average. The problem is you deal with things you don’t understand and then make a right fool yourself to those of us who do understand them. Alright to the atheist here you might appear smart but they don’t understand what they’re talking about as well but they do give me a laugh as you do with the boneheaded reasoning. Now can’t you get it into your dear little skull In which there might be something called a brain that God told the Israelites even before they came into the promised land that if they disobeyed him then he would leave the Canaanites in there. It doesn’t seem as though you can get that point because she was so obsessed with the other one. You have got an obsessive compulsive order I know and when you get something in your head it’s a job to get it out. But please try and realise that@Pikachu

@Speedyman

lol speaking of obsessive...let me just sift through the whiny, obsessively repetitive insults there for the actual content....ah there's the [i]one sentence[/i] of it:

[quote]God told the Israelites even before they came into the promised land that if they disobeyed him then he would leave the Canaanites in there[/quote]

Oh dear, oh dear. You seem to be mistaking this curse (which in scope [i]clearly[/i] applies to what happens after the Israelites totally turn away and are repeatedly conquered) with the few [i]specific[/i] cases for which god makes his purpose [i]explicit[/i].
The blessing describes what will happen if they obey and the curse describes what will happen if they turn to other gods. And that's what we see when there are no judges alive. But for these specific towns, god his own self says that they were kept there to test and to train.
I can't spell it out any more simply than that🤷🏻

And don't think i've forgotten that your initial, uninformed answer for why they failed to capture these towns was " [b]that the conquest lost the initial momentum[/b]"😆 And then when i demonstrated that you were wrong, you had to desperately google so you could appear to have even the slightest idea what you were talking about.
I know you can't stand to be wrong and you'll never admit it even though you now realize your mistake so i won't expect you to concede here.
But i also won't waste any more time schooling you on your own faith.
Pearls before swine and all that😉

There is absolutely no point in talking to you because she don’t appear to listen to any form of reason whatsoever. You have this mental disorder where you latch onto things and take them as true and then when somebody logically point something out to you you appear to think that you are right . But the fool despises instruction and you are a good example of the fool. Sorry mate but I have studied these passages again and again and you are completely wrong in what you are saying. Unfortunately you will not be told and I know you are not coming on the Internet because you want to gain knowledge but to just try and look clever. Well you might look clever in the eyes of certain morons who don’t know anything but to meet you who knows what I’m talking about you just look a silly little boy. So bye-bye Littleboy. Sorry I can’t help you anymore@Pikachu