Why weren't the Israelites able to conquer some of the cities in the promised land? [Spirituality & Religion]

God promised to give over all their enemies to them as long as they remained obedient.
And aside from an unfortunate event in the city of Ai which was rectified by killing the guilty party and his entire family, they do.

So why are there a few instances where they Israelites were unable to drive the enemy from their domain? The Canaanites, Geshure, Maacah and the Jebusites apparent;y could not be removed and continued to live among the Israelites.

*Never mind, this is answered in Judges

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RemovedUsername1042818 · 22-25, M

Because god isn't real they weren't chosen.

Pikachu

@RemovedUsername1042818

You don't know that lol

RemovedUsername1042818 · 22-25, M

@Pikachu Who would win? A little bit of organization and planning or theists who let their deity of choice guide them?

Pikachu

@RemovedUsername1042818

Oh but the Israelites were made to wander for 40 years as a punishment. It wasn't because they couldn't find their way.
The meme is funny but misinformed.

RemovedUsername1042818 · 22-25, M

@Pikachu Or perhaps it's just easier to claim that a magical being was punishing you, rather than admit to your cult getting lost in the desert for decades. Lol

Pikachu

@RemovedUsername1042818

Could be.
Probably not though considering the nation of Israel was at that time comprised of hundreds of thousands of people and the land they were traveling to was already known to them, their ancestors having arrived from there.
Just pointing out that inaccuracy of the meme.

RemovedUsername1042818 · 22-25, M

@Pikachu It's not at all inaccurate. There's evidence to prove that both groups took these routes. Now, existence of god on the other hand...

Pikachu

@RemovedUsername1042818

It's not at all inaccurate

It's entirely inaccurate.
It says that they wandered for 40 years guided by yahweh.
That's wrong.
They wondered for 40 years as punishment by yahweh.

It's wrong no matter how you look at it. Either their god is real and they wandered as punishment or their god is not real and yahweh was not guiding them.

RemovedUsername1042818 · 22-25, M

@Pikachu Yeah, like I said prove that god exists and that ancient jews weren't just terrible with directions.

Pikachu

@RemovedUsername1042818

Prove that god doesn't exist and that they weren't being punished🤷🏻

RemovedUsername1042818 · 22-25, M

@Pikachu The burden of proof is on whoever makes the claim. It's not MY job to prove that YOUR god exists.

Pikachu

@RemovedUsername1042818

The burden of proof is on whoever makes the claim

Couldn't agree more:

Because god isn't real they weren't chosen.

😁

RemovedUsername1042818 · 22-25, M

@Pikachu My proof is a complete lack of evidence on your part.

Pikachu

@RemovedUsername1042818

Absence of proof isn't proof of absence🙂
Scientifically speaking, a lack of evidence doesn't prove a thing doesn't exist, it simply does not support the existence of that thing.

You assert (and i agree) that the burden of proof lays on the one making the claim.
You made a claim: god isn't real.

So can you prove that or do you fail to meet your burden of proof as the claimant?

RemovedUsername1042818 · 22-25, M

@Pikachu The entire discussion is based on your original post. Provide proof now and stop beating around the bush.

Pikachu

@RemovedUsername1042818

The question of my original post is posed within the context of the story.
It makes no claim about god's existence.
And this is obvious when one takes a moment to examine the question:

If god were not real and did not promise victory to his followers then the fact that the Israelites failed to capture some cities is not surprising. No one wins every time.
So within the context of the story, i wonder why they failed to capture these cities.
No claim of god's existence.

Deflection denied.
So can you prove that god is not real or do you fail to meet your burden of proof as the claimant?