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SatanBurger · 36-40, F
The new testament excuse makes me giggle, it's like saying "I used to torture dogs, but this year I won't, I'll make a new testament and that makes things OK because now I like them." God USED to refuse heaven to disabled people, now they're alright to him, it just suddenly changes like magic 🤣
[b]Or the simplest answer[/b] is most likely the correct one. It is because in that time period they were just highly ignorant, sort of like when nuns wanted to beat someone for using their left hand because it was a sign of the devil. Picture someone who has an extreme disability with no one knowing what it was or what caused it.
It's most likely that the bible changed as we grew to know more because it's written by PEOPLE first and foremost 🤷♀️
[b]Or the simplest answer[/b] is most likely the correct one. It is because in that time period they were just highly ignorant, sort of like when nuns wanted to beat someone for using their left hand because it was a sign of the devil. Picture someone who has an extreme disability with no one knowing what it was or what caused it.
It's most likely that the bible changed as we grew to know more because it's written by PEOPLE first and foremost 🤷♀️
Speedyman · 70-79, M
You show by this you haven’t the faintest idea what you are talking about. When did you have your brain removed? @SatanBurger
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@Speedyman I'm right and you're wrong because you can't tell me why I'm wrong instead of insulting me. If you want to put me in my place, you put me in my place by demonstrating why I'm wrong with history and proven facts.
[quote]When did you have your brain removed?[/quote]
If someone had their brain removed they wouldn't be able to type.
[quote]When did you have your brain removed?[/quote]
If someone had their brain removed they wouldn't be able to type.
Speedyman · 70-79, M
You are wrong because you haven’t the faintest idea what you’re talking about. The whole nonsense that God used to refuse having to disable people. What a load of crap you talk@SatanBurger
@Speedyman
Just curious...are you able to supply a counter argument to what satanburger describes as a likely scenario or can you only manage meaninglessly vague dismissals without any substance?
[b][i]Hard mode: answer this question by actually mounting a counter argument rather than vomiting a string of repetitive insults[/i][/b]😃
Just curious...are you able to supply a counter argument to what satanburger describes as a likely scenario or can you only manage meaninglessly vague dismissals without any substance?
[b][i]Hard mode: answer this question by actually mounting a counter argument rather than vomiting a string of repetitive insults[/i][/b]😃
Speedyman · 70-79, M
The reason is that Satanburger has not created any logical argument. If you knew anything yourself you would know that the argument is totally idiotic@Pikachu]
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@Speedyman I took this off the Pikachu's comment:
"No man who has any defect may come near: no man who is blind or lame, disfigured or deformed; 19 no man with a crippled foot or hand, 20 or who is a hunchback or a dwarf, or who has any eye defect, or who has festering or running sores or damaged testicles. "
Leviticus 21:16-20
That sounds like that is rejecting disabled people to me.
"No man who has any defect may come near: no man who is blind or lame, disfigured or deformed; 19 no man with a crippled foot or hand, 20 or who is a hunchback or a dwarf, or who has any eye defect, or who has festering or running sores or damaged testicles. "
Leviticus 21:16-20
That sounds like that is rejecting disabled people to me.
Speedyman · 70-79, M
The problem is you and him don’t know what you’re talking about. It’s not a rejection of disabled people is the fact that in the tabernacle everything had to be absolutely perfect on the outside to mirror the holiness of God. The only reason you find objectionable is that you have had 2000 years of Christianity which of course does not discriminate these things because Christ himself was made sickness for us. The problem is with you people is that you try and put the things which are not relevant for the day and have passed away in full view. Rather like trying to service a horse and cart today and thinking it’s important . You’re thinking is just wrongheaded@SatanBurger
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@Speedyman If everything has to be perfect then it's still a rejection of disabled people. If they said that about disabled people, it shows what they really thought about them at the time. Kind of sounds like what the Nazis practiced.
Speedyman · 70-79, M
No you are totally without understanding. The law of God is provided for people like the disabled and the poor to be provided for[. This is the problem when you take one or two verses out of context with no understanding whatsoever for the whole. Your statement is totally ridiculous@satanburger]
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@Speedyman No, you explicitly state above:
[quote]It’s not a rejection of disabled people is the fact that in the tabernacle everything had to be absolutely perfect on the outside to mirror the holiness of God.[/quote]
That's blatant discrimination to me, what's holy and what traits define something as perfect?
[quote]The law of God is provided for people like the disabled and the poor to be provided for[/quote]
Yeah in a very class based kind of way.
[quote]It’s not a rejection of disabled people is the fact that in the tabernacle everything had to be absolutely perfect on the outside to mirror the holiness of God.[/quote]
That's blatant discrimination to me, what's holy and what traits define something as perfect?
[quote]The law of God is provided for people like the disabled and the poor to be provided for[/quote]
Yeah in a very class based kind of way.
Speedyman · 70-79, M
No you have it wrong. worship in the tabernacle had to be outwardly perfect. You are trying to understand an ancient point of view with 2000 years of Christianity as background which teaches human worth. However as an atheist you should realise that atheism teaches that human beings are worth nothing and this is shown in the role of atheists like Stalin, Hitler and Mao. So in fact in expressing your opinions you’re being very inconsistent with your own beliefs. You believe that men are just animals and disposable anyway. That is what atheism teaches. @SatanBurger
JohnOinger · 41-45, M
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@Speedyman You can't say that god is for disabled people but then shut them out when they want to worship. You make it sound like it's a popularity contest. That's basically saying they are lesser which they are not.
Speedyman · 70-79, M
They were not shut out from worship. No-one was. In any case why are you so bothered about what happened around 4000 years ago when you don’t believe in the God they believed in anyway? You basically contradict everything you believe@SatanBurger
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@Speedyman That doesn't make sense, why would everything have to "mirror" Gods holiness on the outside if no one was shut out to worship?
[quote]It’s not a rejection of disabled people is the fact that in the tabernacle everything had to be [b][c=#BF0000]absolutely perfect on the outside[/c][/b] to mirror the holiness of God.[/quote]
[quote]It’s not a rejection of disabled people is the fact that in the tabernacle everything had to be [b][c=#BF0000]absolutely perfect on the outside[/c][/b] to mirror the holiness of God.[/quote]
Speedyman · 70-79, M
Don’t take notice of dear old Pikachi as he has no idea about anything beyond cartoon figures, But you were dealing with the people who couldn’t read and write. Therefore what they saw was very important to them and they needed to see the perfection of the tabernacle and of the temple and the worship that surrounded it. In any case you still have not answered my question that why you was an atheist are so interested in something that happened in 4000 Years ago anyway and doesn’t apply today. Surely it is far better to be talking about worship in the Christian faith which actually applies the day@SatanBurger