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Creationists: are you willing to deny any evidence which contradicts the bible? [Spirituality & Religion]

Would you agree that this is an intellectually dishonest position or do you feel that this is an intellectually defensible position?
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the bible states that you should question/inspect and weigh all teachings

Do not treat prophecies with contempt
but test them all; hold on to what is good,
reject every kind of evil...
"Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine,
and does them,
I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock:
and the rain descended,
the floods came,
and the winds blew and beat on that house;
and it did not fall,
for it was founded on the rock.
"But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine,
and does not do them,
will be like a foolish man
who built his house on the sand:
and the rain descended,
the floods came,
and the winds blew
and beat on that house; and it fell.

And great was its fall."
Carazaa · F
@butterflymind1 Thank you! Wise words. Some ignore them but that is foolish!
Sharon · F
@butterflymind1 What has that to do with @Pikachu's question?
Carazaa · F
@Sharon Iseebeauty's statement has a lot to do with that question. True Christians think globally and have logic given from God. It can be difficult for non Christians to follow at times. Not to be hurtful at all, or offensive. But these are spiritual truths that are logical and need to be absorbed to understand before we jump to conclusions about any evolution etc.
Sharon · F
@Carazaa [quote]But these are spiritual truth[/quote]
No, they're just beliefs. They're not logical either because, if they were, it would be possible for those holding such beliefs to show their reasoning.

@Pikachu's question is quite simple but @butterflymind1's reply doesn't even address it.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@butterflymind1 [quote]question/inspect and weigh all teachings[/quote]

When it’s applied to them, creationists call that heresy
@Carazaa

Tell me, what is logical about declaring that any science which contradicts biblical teachings is wrong?
What is logical about rejecting any evidence which does not confirm your already held beliefs? That is certainly the antithesis of science.
I understand that you are forced to do this by the strength of your faith but i think you cannot convincingly explain why that should be considered [i]logical[/i].
Speedyman · 70-79, M
The fact is that Science when properly applied did not contradict the Bible when properly applied. It was a misconception of the 19 century that is swallowed by gullible people like yourself that says science and faith against each other. The early scientists like Newton and Kepler never had this problem because they believed in a rational universe which is of course the rational thing to do. It was the 19th century that introduced the idea of irrationality. Unfortunately it was swallowed hook line and sinker not because of science But because of the philosophical climate. Your problem is that you know so little that you swallow this dichotomy hook line and sinker yourself. It really is very sad. As I say atheism is based on ignorance and gullibility and you are a prime example@Pikachu
Sharon · F
@Speedyman [quote]The early scientists like Newton [/quote]
Pity he was wrong about gravity. He must have misread "god's word". 😜
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Speedyman Science when properly applied

Umm... that’s called technology

[quote]science and faith against each other[/quote]

Thye’re not against each other.

Science doesn’t give a dam about faith.

It’s strictly one way... faith is against science, because science, while peacefully going about its business, turns faith into collateral damage.
Speedyman · 70-79, M
You are totally misguided. So many great men of science were men of Faith. Seems as though you don’t know any history either. The fact is to do any science is a step of faith because you accept by faith that the universe is rational@newjaninev2
Budwick · 70-79, M
@newjaninev2 [quote]Science doesn’t give a dam about faith.[/quote]

Eureka! I think I've discovered the problem!
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Speedyman [quote]great men of science were men of Faith[/quote]

They apparently found faith (i.e. pretence) to be unconvincing, unhelpful, and unsatisfactory, and therefore they helped to develop, and then followed, the scientific method.

It’s very fortunate for us that they did so.
Budwick · 70-79, M
@newjaninev2 [quote]They apparently found faith (i.e. pretence) to be unconvincing, unhelpful, and unsatisfactory, and therefore they helped to develop, and then followed, the scientific method.[/quote]

I wonder if this has anything to do with the low regard people have for scientists these days.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Budwick Are those the same people who at every opportunity say “Look! A leading scientist says that...”?
Budwick · 70-79, M
@newjaninev2 I don't think so.
That sounds like one of those pretend journalists or
a toothpaste commercial to me.

No, normal people don't say things like - “Look! A leading scientist says that...”

What's a leading scientist anyway?
Do they run faster or something?
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Budwick [quote]normal people don't say things like...[/quote]

That’s correct, and very nfortunate for Carazaa, and for all those other creationists who mine for video snippets to support their fantastical claims
Budwick · 70-79, M
@newjaninev2 I hear ya!
Trying to convince someone like yourself of the existence of God is a fools errand, if you ask me. [No offense intended.]

I mean, the whole reason for posts like these is to bait believers, bring them in open to be mocked and ridiculed.

I realized not that long ago, that there is nothing I could possibly say or do to change the mind of a person that has no belief in God. God said Himself that His existence is self evident. I see it clearly. But, others don't. Somewhere along the line they shut off their connection to God. Only they can re-establish the connection. If / when they're ready, I'm willing to help.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Budwick An intelligent believer would have worked out some sort of personal take on metaphysics that doesn’t involve ignoring scientific evidence - so they wouldn’t find themselves here spouting nonsense and working hard to find new gaps.
Budwick · 70-79, M
@QuixoticSoul So, stray form the Word of God,
sell some snake oil?

That's not how I roll.
hey budwick,

i believe in invisible elephants.

i have as much proof as you do with your god@Budwick
Sharon · F
@Texasgurl [quote]i believe in invisible elephants.[/quote]
I've never seen an invisible elephant so they must be real.
Exactly! All hail the invisible elephants!@Sharon
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Budwick [quote]there is nothing I could possibly say or do[/quote]

You could always try... evidence
Budwick · 70-79, M
@newjaninev2 Evidence of God's existence is self evident.
The Bible tells me that.
I can recognize the evidence - you can not / will not.
That's all I got.
I don't care if it's not adequate for you.
Well that's not exactly true - but there's nothing I could say or do to make you see any more clear than God has already provided.