@Sharon @Pikachu [quote]I don't know if it always requires rejecting evidence but it's certainly something i see often in creationists.[/quote]
You guys sound like a bunch of scared chickens in a barnyard. Cackling away and running to and fro all over the place. Face the facts, my friends, there's no evidence what-so-ever for evolution, never has been or never will be. Yahweh has already proven to mankind that He lives and is the Creator of all things. That is the plain truth. Learn to live with it.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things. 24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Romans 1:18-24
Isaiah 45:5-10
5 I am the Lord, and there is no other; There is no God besides Me. I will gird you, though you have not known Me, 6 That they may know from the rising of the sun to its setting That there is none besides Me. I am the Lord, and there is no other; 7 I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, the Lord, do all these things.’ 8 “Rain down, you heavens, from above, And let the skies pour down righteousness; Let the earth open, let them bring forth salvation, And let righteousness spring up together. I, the Lord, have created it. 9 “Woe to him who strives with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth! Shall the clay say to him who forms it, ‘What are you making?’ Or shall your handiwork say, ‘He has no hands’? 10 Woe to him who says to his father, ‘What are you begetting?’ Or to the woman, ‘What have you brought forth?’ ”
[quote] there's no evidence what-so-ever for evolution, never has been or never will be.[/quote]
No, there is.
It's just that you protect yourself from having to admit that by clumsily denying any evidence which contradicts your faith.
It's self preservation, nothing more. And I don't think it's just a show you put on so as not to admit that you're wrong in an argument. I DO think you're genuinely trying to convince yourself that the evidence is not evidence.
@Pikachu [quote]I don't know if it always requires rejecting evidence[/quote] If evidence proving the veracity of one beliefs is accepted, faith becomes meaningless. Faith has to reject and conflict with evidence in order to remain faith rather than demonstrable fact.
I just mean you can have faith [i]without [/i]evidence, it doesn't necessarily have to [i]contradict [/i]evidence. Like before we knew how disease worked, a person could have faith that god was controlling it.
@Pikachu I take your point. I meant faith cannot concur with evidence. If such be available, it has to reject it. I agree one can have faith in the absence of evidence.
@Sharon Well I disagree that they gave it the chance that true Christians gave it. We were all skeptics or "atheists" at one time. But most stayed that way, but some really wanted the truth even if it had some dire consequences for our lives.
Maybe I am more needy than most people. I really don't like to take chances with eternity if there is a eternity so I really God and read about all religions and I went to His book to hear what God had to say. I think God draws us to Himself and changes our hearts though. Its Gods work. He chose us before the foundations of the world he says.
The rich man asked Jesus "what do I have to do to be saved? Jesus said " Give your money to the poor and follow me" He left Jesus and couldn't do it." There is a price to follow Jesus. We have to leave our old life and follow Him, and most don't want that. But I feel its an easy choice for me because I want God on my side, I need help in this life, and I am looking forward to heaven. I really believe I will see My Dad , Grandma, Great Grandpa, and friends there one day. But most I am looking forward to be with Jesus the creator of the world. It says we will work, and have bodies, and have no tears ever. I have had a lot of tears in my life. I am so looking forward to the no more tears part.
@Carazaa [quote]Well I disagree that they gave it the chance that true Christians gave it. We were all skeptics or "atheists" at one time.[/quote] I could just as well say that those skeptics who became christians never gave Atheism the chance that open minded skeptics gave it. They weren't searching for the truth, they'd already made their minds up.
[quote]I really don't like to take chances with eternity if there is a eternity [/quote] But you are taking chances, very big chances. You're betting everything on the remote possibility that, presuming there even is a god or gods, you've picked the one real god out of thousands of possibilities. At least there's no chance I'm following the wrong one.
@Sharon God helps me. When I was little I felt so alone with no one in my life except God and When my husband left me with 2 small kids I was strong because God helped me. I need Him. He answers my prayers and walks before me before I even pray. He does miracles daily for me. With God I can forgive the people who have really hurt me and love them. God has given me back what I have lost. He says "I will repay the years the locusts have eaten" God has been there for me! I love him more than any person. I will defend God no matter what happens to me. I am His. He is mine! My husband came back and we are friends, my relationships are all healing. I will stick with the Bible. That is my guide!
@Carazaa When I was younger I asked "god" for several things but it never granted my wishes. However, whenever I asked Santa for something bike, He came good. Whenever I put a tooth under my pillow, the Tooth Fairy always came and exchanged it for sixpence. I'll stick with what works for me, thanks. :)
You got that wrong. Faith requires evidence, not the other way around. Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1
@Carazaa [quote]Answered prayers is God rewarding us for having faith and being obedient to God! [/quote] Xmas presents are Santa rewarding us for having faith in Him. :)
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@GodSpeed63 [quote]Yahweh has already proven to mankind that He lives and is the Creator of all things. [/quote] If that is "proven" by what is written in the bible, it is simply a circular argument that is "true" simply because you believe it's true.
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@Carazaa [quote]looking forward to be with Jesus the creator of the world[/quote]
