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The Burden of Proof: Theists of SW, do you believe that an atheist has a burden of proof when it comes to their lack of belief in a god [Spirituality & Religion]

or their rejection of the claim that a god exists?

If you say no, then i agree. If you say yes, then let's discuss.

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GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
There are no such people that are atheists but skeptics have just as much burden of proof for what they believe as do true believers in Christ.
@GodSpeed63

Wrong.

An atheist is someone who does not believe or disbelieves in the existence of a deity.
Many such living people exist.
No matter how you attempt to twist the meaning of the word (and you must, since no definition supports your assertion) it does not make atheists any less of a real thing.

Oh, you'd like to say that people replace god in their lives with false idols like money or sex or pride? Fine. But those people still do not believe that those things are deities.


The intellectually honest thing to do would be to stop making that claim until such time as you can make a reasoned argument for it.
But you're neither intellectual nor honest...so carry on i guess😁👍
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
Did you realize you made a statement of faith?
@hippyjoe1955

Assuming you are speaking to me, i do not realize that i've made a statement of faith.

Could you specify the portion of my post which you feel falls under that category and explain why it does?
Thanks.
@Pikachu Good job - you ask for a discussion then you end up insulting them.
@MarmeeMarch

1) that was not an answer to nor a discussion of the topic i presented here
2) i forgive your mistake because you don't necessarily know the history between me and this user
3) lol you maaaad.
@Pikachu Mad ? - just disappointed - you can do better.
Pherick · 41-45, M
@Pikachu Hippster there thinks that belief in science equates to Scientism being a religion.

Its ridiculous as I pointed out to him earlier, but you know, he never listens.
@Pherick

Well no argument here. I suggested that he explain that claim but he remained tellingly silent on the matter
@MarmeeMarch

...said the guy who stalks my threads, ignores the subject and takes every pot shot he can think of...

lol thanks tips.
Pardon me if i find it difficult to take your butthurt responses seriously...
😏👍
@Pikachu OK - Ill just mute you so I wont see and reply to your posts then.
CookieLuvsBunny · 31-35, F
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@CookieLuvsBunny He's right, atheism is not belief system even though skeptics will say otherwise. The only atheists are skeptics lying 6 feet under their headstones. That's where atheism belongs.
Pherick · 41-45, M
@GodSpeed63 Except that's not true. Just because YOU think I am not an atheist, doesn't make that the truth.
CookieLuvsBunny · 31-35, F
@GodSpeed63 Atheism is not a belief system just like not believing in the tooth fairy isn't a belief system.
CookieLuvsBunny · 31-35, F
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@CookieLuvsBunny "There is only one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling: one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and the Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." Ephesians 4:4-6. The Word of God. There's only God and it isn't Zeus. I take it that is how you feel about your 'god' being god then?
@GodSpeed63

"Know, therefore, that there is no god but Allah, and ask forgiveness for thy fault, and for the men and women who believe: for Allah knows how ye move about and how ye dwell in your homes."

verse 47:19

So what makes your book of mythology more true than this one?
CookieLuvsBunny · 31-35, F
@GodSpeed63 I think "god" is only an idea humans have created and it goes no further than humans allow
Pherick · 41-45, M
@Pikachu Because he believes his!
@Pherick

Yup.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@CookieLuvsBunny @Pherick @Pikachu On the contrary, if man had his way, there'd be no God. As a matter of fact, if there was no God, man wouldn't even think, if that were possible, of making one up. The desire to seek out God wouldn't be in him.
@GodSpeed63

Not an answer to my question.

There is no god but allah. It is written.

What makes that book any less valid than your own?
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@Pikachu
Has anyone provided a proof of God’s inexistence? Not even close.
Has quantum cosmology explained the emergence of the universe or why it is here? Not even close.
Have the sciences explained why our universe seems to be fine-tuned to allow for the existence of life? Not even close.
Are physicists and biologists willing to believe in anything so long as it is not religious thought? Close enough.
Has rationalism in moral thought provided us with an understanding of what is good, what is right, and what is moral? Not close enough.
Has secularism in the terrible twentieth century been a force for good? Not even close to being close.
Is there a narrow and oppressive orthodoxy of thought and opinion within the sciences? Close enough.
Does anything in the sciences or in their philosophy justify the claim that religious belief is irrational? Not even ballpark.
Is scientific atheism a frivolous exercise in intellectual contempt? Dead on.
Cmstars · 22-25, F
@Pikachu The fact that the Qur'an seems to think the Trinity is Father, Son and Mary might be a good start.
Bushranger · 70-79, M
@hippyjoe1955 Is the universe fine tuned for life? So far we have not found evidence of life elsewhere, so it would seem that life is restricted to one small planet in one outlying solar system in one of many galaxies. Outside of our planet, the universe will very quickly kill us. Even on our planet there are places that make it very difficult for life to exist. That doesn't sound like a system that was designed for life.

What is scientific atheism? An atheist doesn't believe in a God or Gods; nothing more, nothing less. Is that such a hard concept to grasp.