Was the manger made of stone? [Spirituality & Religion]

@kentex35 He went to hell to preach to the souls in prisoned there.. Who knows how many of them accepted His message and how many others mocked Him when he was there..

@Adstar as a try Roman Catholic we were taught that he went to retrieve those with original sin, that God after the fall of Adam and Eve God cursed their offspring until the crucifixion, the curse being called original sin. Since there were no sins as yet. And during the life of Jesus and the baptism from John the Baptist is what we believe is the sacrament that cleanse is off original sin and that's why we do it so young in life in case of accident we didn't want them floating around in limbo until the second coming. That's what I was taught in Catholic school.

@kentex35 The scriptures say He preached to the souls in prison.. If He went there to simply grab those with sin then He would not need to do any talking.. The scriptures on the subject says the following..

(1 Peter 3:18-20) "For[c=7700B2][u] Christ also hath once suffered for sins[/u][/c], the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, [c=7700B2]but quickened by the Spirit: {19} By which also [u]he went and preached unto the spirits in prison[/u][/c]; {20} Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."

So the above states that Jesus suffered for sins and we know that was by being sacraficed on the cross as the Passover Lamb of God.. He was in the Spirit when he went to preach to the spirits in prison some of whom had been there since the days of Noah and the great flood..

The curse was being born with the sin nature that eventually afflicts anyone who passes the age of innocence..

John the baptists water baptism was a sign of the real Baptisim of the LORD Jesus Christ.. John the baptist said::

(Matthew 3:11) "[c=7700B2]I indeed baptize you with water[/c] unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: [c=7700B2][u]he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost[/u][/c], and with fire:"

So when Christians believe Jesus and trust in the Atonement Jesus secured by His death on the cross the Holy Spirit comes to dwell within them..

It is the Atonement of Jesus that covers all sins of those who believe and trust in His atonement..

[quote]that's why we do it so young in life in case of accident we didn't want them floating around in limbo until the second coming.[/quote]

Even the catholic church has now changed their doctrine on Limbo they no longer teach that it exists.. When a Child is young they have not yet come to the knowledge of good and evil and therefore cannot sin, they have no sin.. It is only when someone believes Jesus and trusts in the atonement that Jesus secured on the cross. are they then saved..

❤️ Be careful because we can't earn heaven. Doing sacraments are not getting us into heaven. Only Jesus taking our sins will get us to heaven according to the Bible. We can't take any credit for our salvation. We must be born again. Communion is to remember Jesus because Jesus says
[b][c=BF0000]"Do this in remembrance of me!"[/c][/b],
It's not a work of salvation. Baptism is The Holy Spirit coming into our hearts washing us clean. Water does not save, only Jesus saves.
[b][c=BF0000]"By grace are you saved, through faith, and not of yourselves. It is a gift from God, not by works so that no one can boast."[/c][/b]

God saved me one day when I was 7 years old, The Holy Spirit came into my heart and I was a new creature. I realized Gods Holiness and my sinfulness immediately and started crying feeling ashamed that I had doubted there was a God. I have read the Bible ever since (I also listen to Family
Many churches are apostate now just as Jesus told us that many will come in my name to deceive many. Please be careful. 🤗@kentex35

@Carazaa I thought that limbo thing was a little cruel. God has had his vengeance but it is fairly swift, well maybe not for those that did in the flood of Noah's time. But Sodom and Gomorrah , the Passover were a one night thing
But we I understood it when ask and Eve fell God places a curse on all those coming from her. Even though they were to young to sin they were cursed and limbo I guess was an invention to show that good food have some mercy
Limbo wasn't he'll it was a place their soul existed until redemption aka the sacrifice of Jesus. That was the sin that was forgiven. I think so the other no no's still had to be repented or atoned for and some were greater than others.
The Roman Catholic version of the Apostles Creed says... And He was crucified and died. He defended into Hell. And on the third day he arose again and ascended into heaven... It's just that one line in the prayer that seems to be unique to the Roman Catholic.
I'm not surprised the church has gotten rid of the limbo thing. It's just that there's no reasonable explanation since we know how God favored children throughout the old and new treatment except during the flood I guess.
But still the babies grew up and were cursed I guess until the salvation.
The sacraments are a way to reaffirm ones faith with the church's blessing. A rite but a required event if possible. Those that are never taught the Word are not bound by it. Ignorance of the law in this case is forgiven or never a penalty. As I understand it. Makes sense of one doesn't know he's suppose know it can't count against him. Like most faiths the Roman Catholic believe theirs to be the true faith but never was I taught that it was required to get into heaven.
A just man causes the devil more affliction than a million blind followers.
K. Gibran . I think that is basically the truth. Rituals and rites aren't automatic get it of Hell free they are just something the RC church requires. There are 7 sacraments one of which is not required at all unless you want to be a priest. I think. The others, baptism, confession, first communion confirmation matrimony(also not necessary if you choose not to get married) and last rites us not necessary , there are to many cases one can die it get killed before a priest could could administer the sacrament and like godparents someone can stand up or speak for you. I'm surprised I remember that much. I am a fallen away RC. I don't go to mass it practice the sacraments in the church. Are you still reading if so thank you for listening to my faded memory idea of how it goes. What you said is just as true imo.

@kentex35 [quote]I thought that limbo thing was a little cruel. God has had his vengeance but it is fairly swift, well maybe not for those that did in the flood of Noah's time. But Sodom and Gomorrah , the Passover were a one night thing
But we I understood it when ask and Eve fell God places a curse on all those coming from her. Even though they were to young to sin they were cursed and limbo I guess was an invention to show that good food have some mercy[/quote]

The doctrine of limbo was created out of thin air as a result of the catholic doctrines of the necessity of water baptism to be saved.. And the catholic version of the doctrine of original sin. Where babies are born guilty of the sin of Adam and Eve.. The Biblical version is that all humans are born cursed with the inheritance of original sin but that little ones have a time of innocence where they do not sin and therefore do not need the Atonement of the LORD Jesus..

Once you have the doctrine that babies are born guilty and salvation is only available to babies who are water baptized then you have to create something up like Limbo to answer devastated parents who have had an infant die before they had the chance to baptist them..

As for me i was born into a catholic family but once i read the Bible for myself i renounced the catholic religion and became a Christian..

@kentex35 Thank you for sharing.