Did you know that if we don't live a holy life before God we are litteraly doomed? Does anyone care about holiness? [Spirituality & Religion]

@LadyGrace Yes, I agree, I would have used different wording to lead into the point that "Does anyone care about holiness? A lot of preachers talk heresy these days, to get money and maybe fame." But I think that the lack of holiness in the lives of many believers is a definite warning sign in our Christian culture.

I can see your point, but I would even be careful of putting ministers down in her headline. That, I believe, will only serve to turn others away from wanting to attend church. There’s enough people already turning away from the church, without emphasizing SOME minister’s mistakes/sins. Not all should be placed in the same basket. Jesus said, as you know, not to forsake the assembling together of ourselves. It’s a terrible shame that many ministers have turned people AWAY from Christ. Those people whom they’ve turned away, the minister shall have their blood on his or her hands. Shame on these phony ministers.

Warning sign of what in the Christian culture? I don’t see that our culture is Christian anymore. Many have turned away from God, are the lovers of pleasure of any sort, and call good, bad...and bad, good. Jesus said it shall even get far worse before the end. We’re seeing prophecy fulfilled right before our very eyes. Not many seek God these days. That’s very rare. They seek to please their own selfish desires, ignoring God, altogether.

@ms20182878

@LadyGrace I totally agree...

@LadyGrace faith without works is dead, means those people are dead while they think they live. Many people are in hell that thought they would get into heaven. Our old sensitive approach to spreading doesnt seem to work. I would rather tell them the truth upfront. They can do with it what they want but they knew.

Whether saved or not...works play absolutely no part in salvation. That is my point. Proof being in God’s own Word.

It is important to note that works [b]follow[/b] faith. Works are a good diagnostic barometer of where our truth faith lies. Our good works in no way relate to our salvation. Paul makes very clear in Ephesians 2 that apart from Christ we are [b]dead in sin[/b] (Ephesians 2:4-9); we are therefore incapable of truly good works. However, after our salvation, we can perform the "good works, which God prepared beforehand" (Ephesians 2:10). Works are a fruit of our salvation, [u]not a means by which to earn it[/u].

That being said, once we are saved, we are expected to do good works. We are a reflection of Christ. As such, we do good to those around us (Galatians 6:10). We are new creations (2 Corinthians 5:17), so we act in new ways. The works we do should come from a transformed heart. Jesus said that people would know His followers by their love (John 13:35). In this way we are a light to the world (Matthew 5:14). Good works, then, demonstrate the veracity of our faith and the character of the God in Whom we believe.

Faith without works is dead, because true faith transforms a life. It is also true that works without faith are dead. Jesus said that some would call Him "Lord, Lord," but would not enter the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 7:21-23). This only means that there will be others who will have done works apart from faith, in an effort to save themselves. All our works are as filthy rags to God apart from Christ (Isaiah 64:6). They are tainted by our sin and not sufficient to take us from being dead in our trespasses (Colossians 2:13) to being alive.

When we have true faith in Christ, we are made new (2 Corinthians 5:17). Our lives are transformed and good works are the result. NOT because they save us or keep us saved. Grace is what keeps us saved, lest anyone could boast they saved themselves.

Faith is not intellectual assent only; it involves life change. Our faith is evidenced by the way we live.


@lightshinesthroughdarkness

@ms20182878 Also, the danger is, that people who try to clean up their lives before they decide they're good enough to face Christ and ask for forgiveness, never make it that far. They feel they'll never be "good enough", then end up lost forever. However,Jesus said come as you are and he will accept you no matter what .

@SW-User Keep fighting. Get into serious war mode with fasting and prayer.

@Wraithorn Isaiah 45:7 New International Version (NIV)
"I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the Lord, do all these things."

The verse reads different in the NIV than in the KJV, doesn't it?

It would be good for you to do some research into the original Hebrew text before you make the claim that you made.

It is so common for non-believers to pull single verses out of context and try to make their case based upon that single verse. The Biblical text is much more complex than that, needing to be read in the textual and historical context, and also needing sometimes to be read in the original languages.

@ms20182878 Google Michael Heiser who has a PhD in ancient Hebrew. I read his peer reviewed thesis online. He shows quite clearly using huge amounts of evidence how the original Hebrew bible was intentionally mistranslated in some important places into Greek and English.
One important thing is that the Hebrew bible mentions 71 gods and not just one.

My opinion is that the entire book is not to be trusted.

@Wraithorn Interesting... I did Google Dr. Heiser. If you asked him if God created evil, I'm pretty confident that he would disagree with you on that point.

The Biblical text mentions many gods, for sure. The text is clearly telling us to follow the One True God... not all of the other gods. The text also describes the One True God in many different ways, based upon His attributes. The text needs to be read with a consistent hermeneutic.

@lightshinesthroughdarkness no... there is not... this is all the life we have. better make the best out of it

@Strawberrry I believe in heaven and hell because Jesus did

You better take that up with God, because He disagrees with you. He said so in His Word. Check it out. @Strawberrry