Antinatalism

@RebelliousSpirit a change of perspective ?
And how does one magically reach that change of perspective ? Wait for it to drop on you ?
Google it ?
Or does self revelation come through being forced to ones limits?

You're using word salad . Choosing terms such as 'consciousness' as an exterior thing, yet refuting it has any meaning to our physical existence is contradictory .
Using terms such as God to give meaning to your 'higher than thou' comprehension of existence, yet denying a higher existence exists is likewise.

And saying hope is false and sacrifice is useless is a cop out . Coz you don't wanna face reality and do those things ...coz it's [b]hard[/b]. You just wanna give up.
No effort to your own existence or evolution of self.

Nihilism is a total cop out.

It's you telling yourself you have a viable reason to do fuck all, give up ....ride it out at no expense or effort to yourself.
Just enjoy the ride while complaining all the while it's not what you wanted.
And then trying to make others feel stupid for trying, so you don't have to feel guilty for not.

If you really believed in nihilism, if you thought it was the answer to everything ....you would have committed to it.

Either way you argue ...you're a hypocrite to your own philosophy .🤷

All you are doing is desperately justifying wasting your life .

Edit: You call yourself Rebellious Spirit, yet you don't even know how to rebel. Or what your spirit is.
Rebels have causes.
Spirits have purpose

You don't even want to use your life to experience the ideals of your namesake .🤷

@OogieBoogie [quote]And how does one magically reach that change of perspective ?[/quote]

That may be different for anyone. Being forced to ones limits may be exactly what triggers this revelation. I nearly ended up being raped and I believe this and being homeless for some time fundamentally shaped my philosophy and outlook on life.
It's in the midst of our greatest pain we are able to see life for what it truly is.

[quote]Using terms such as God to give meaning to your 'higher than thou' comprehension of existence, yet denying a higher existence exists is likewise.[/quote]

Again you didn’t understand the meaning of the cioran quote.

[quote]It's you telling yourself you have a viable reason to do fuck all, give up ...[/quote]

It's not about giving up in the sense of not doing anything in life but more about seeing that humanity should slowly start fading out by procreating less since it always ends up in more despair. Not existing is a superior state of being measured by comparing what is with what isn't.
You are the one to bring nihilism up in the first place. Antinatalism does belong in this philosophical framework but it's a different approach.

[quote]All you are doing is desperately justifying wasting your life .[/quote]

You build your argumentation on the false premise I am arguing about how people live their lives or how I live mine when that’s not the point.

@RebelliousSpirit if we were just an evolutionary byproduct, we wouldn't have a consciousness.

And it IS a nihilistic approach. Saying nothing matters and that we are pointless is totally nihilistic.

Consciousness IS an evolution in itself, and you can't reach its purer state without evolving to get there, and you can't evolve without experiencing everything that there is to be human ...which includes pain .

Even Buddha realized doing nothing was pointless way to live.

You're seeing yourself and humanity as separate from this world, when it isn't.

And that's my point to your question....it's not that we've got to die out, it's that we've got to evolve more, to understand it is part of us, and we of it.
Just coz you can't see the point of this, ...and us, and all this, doesn't mean there isn't one .

You think mankind has no positive part to play in this world, when that's just not true.

But hey, if you believe you can reach a higher consciousness by stepping out of the process, go for it.
It might be a lesson within itself.

I just prefer to try to be part of the solution, than the problem, even if it seems tiny and ineffectual.
The ocean is made of drops of water.

Not ever appreciating or using what you've been given is a self defeating state. You create your own hopelessness.

You can either use your pain and evolve with it, or you can wallow in it and give up. But if everyone did it, we'd stop the whole process...that 'ocean' of consciousness would dry up and wed have to start all over again.

Which is destructive on a cosmicly conscious level.

The fact is, this isn't the first time we've been destructive as a species, and it might not be the last. Just because life isn't perfect doesn't mean we don't have a part in it to make it so.

Killing us off is not the solution you think it is. It'd just be a way to make it go through the whole process again, delaying our worlds evolution .
Don't give up just coz you can't see the finish line. We are all one lap of this race.

@DDonde precisely that's why people who are alive should not choose to continue life.

@RebelliousSpirit Doesn't make sense to me.