Antinatalism

The notion that it would have been better never to exist is among those which meet with the most opposition. Every man, incapable of seeing himself except from inside, regards himself as necessary, even indispensable, every man feels and perceives himself as an absolute reality, as a whole, as the whole. The moment we identify ourselves entirely with our being, we react like God, we are God.
It is only when we live at once within and on the margins of ourselves that we can conceive, quite calmly, that it would have been preferable that the accident we are should never have occurred.

We celebrate life and mourn death. Yet life create death, and death create life. Every cradle is a grave. Why not celebrate death and mourn life?

As an “anti-natalist,” I believe that life is so bad, so painful, that human beings should stop having children for reasons of compassion. Not only is life painful but by living it the way we humans do as societies we are destroying our planet, the habitat we share with all other animals.
Wouldn't the world be a more beautiful place without sentient life?

OogieBoogie · F

Better? ....the world hasn't finished yet. Gotta break some eggs to make a cake 🤷

Sentient ?....you assume humans are the only sentiment beings on this planet , are you sure?

And as to God being in your argument, that's kinda presumptuous as a tiny momentary infinitesimal physical being to assume you think an eternal entiity such as God agrees with your philosophy.

Let me ask you this since you believe you can think in the margins of existence like God : why were we made in this form, if not to experience life?

OogieBoogie · F

@RebelliousSpirit a change of perspective ?
And how does one magically reach that change of perspective ? Wait for it to drop on you ?
Google it ?
Or does self revelation come through being forced to ones limits?

You're using word salad . Choosing terms such as 'consciousness' as an exterior thing, yet refuting it has any meaning to our physical existence is contradictory .
Using terms such as God to give meaning to your 'higher than thou' comprehension of existence, yet denying a higher existence exists is likewise.

And saying hope is false and sacrifice is useless is a cop out . Coz you don't wanna face reality and do those things ...coz it's hard. You just wanna give up.
No effort to your own existence or evolution of self.

Nihilism is a total cop out.

It's you telling yourself you have a viable reason to do fuck all, give up ....ride it out at no expense or effort to yourself.
Just enjoy the ride while complaining all the while it's not what you wanted.
And then trying to make others feel stupid for trying, so you don't have to feel guilty for not.

If you really believed in nihilism, if you thought it was the answer to everything ....you would have committed to it.

Either way you argue ...you're a hypocrite to your own philosophy .🤷

All you are doing is desperately justifying wasting your life .

Edit: You call yourself Rebellious Spirit, yet you don't even know how to rebel. Or what your spirit is.
Rebels have causes.
Spirits have purpose

You don't even want to use your life to experience the ideals of your namesake .🤷

RebelliousSpirit · F

@OogieBoogie

And how does one magically reach that change of perspective ?

That may be different for anyone. Being forced to ones limits may be exactly what triggers this revelation. I nearly ended up being raped and I believe this and being homeless for some time fundamentally shaped my philosophy and outlook on life.
It's in the midst of our greatest pain we are able to see life for what it truly is.

Using terms such as God to give meaning to your 'higher than thou' comprehension of existence, yet denying a higher existence exists is likewise.

Again you didn’t understand the meaning of the cioran quote.

It's you telling yourself you have a viable reason to do fuck all, give up ...

It's not about giving up in the sense of not doing anything in life but more about seeing that humanity should slowly start fading out by procreating less since it always ends up in more despair. Not existing is a superior state of being measured by comparing what is with what isn't.
You are the one to bring nihilism up in the first place. Antinatalism does belong in this philosophical framework but it's a different approach.

All you are doing is desperately justifying wasting your life .

You build your argumentation on the false premise I am arguing about how people live their lives or how I live mine when that’s not the point.