I am not for free housing. Money from taxpayers would fund it. How would it be fair when someone that doesn’t contribute to the workforce having other’s pay for your “so called right “
@Gloomy what about those who couldn’t afford to make the rent or choose not to work because they think the world owes them and blame the world for their own shortcomings should others that worked hard to be at the point of life that their in pay for them?
@specman Many of the residential areas made of panel blocks were built near factories and the apartments were reserved for the workers. So they got the apartment when they got employed. I wonder if they paid their utility bills themselves or it was taken away from their paycheck. Either way, they could have been in the same situation like people nowadays - only be paid enough to have the essential needs satisfied plus some vacation not far from home, definitely no luxurious trips to seaside etc. since there was Iron Curtain.
@specman Missing out on rent for a while shouldn't mean eviction... landlords are vicious because housing should not be a commodity.
Now you bring up a very small part of society that choose not to work well in order to not let people starve or be homeless only basic necessities should be provided. Usually there are other reasons for people not working alienation being one of them given that the economic system often forces people to work multiple jobs to get by while others earn insane amounts by simply owning capital.
Someone who has inherited a fortune and never works a day in his life would be the same as a poor person who never works yet people only point to those in the lower classes.
@Gloomy Then what’s the purpose of excelling in the world? You would make everyone just be average and those who doesn’t have enough money and those who think the world is to blame for all of their shortcomings ( in reality the didn’t work at improving themselves as much as they should’ve. I think America has the right idea for the most part..
@specman Well ideally people wouldn't only want to excell for selfish gains so they can live in superficial luxury but I guess that's a reason why some might want to but excelling isn't solely based on hard work or talent in this system. What matters too is income of parents, place of birth, luck, ....
Ideally we would excell to contribute to our society so we can improve it. Also making sure people aren't stripped of the basic necessities humans require to have dignity is not making anyone average your whole constructed argument fails miserably.
@CestManan I’m not going to lie there are some that are seemingly never going to get a break from bad things happening to them. They need to keep praying and stay positive and their life will be easier to swallow.
@specman now if everybody who were poor were just people that are down on their luck it would be one thing but a lot of the Lower Class People are basically criminals and don't know how to take care of anything so if they are given Free Housing they just destroy it anyway. The projects have proven that time and time again.
Plus when the projects are close to other neighborhoods it just brings down the property value of the good neighborhoods.
Had it not been for my own circumstances where I basically lucked out I would probably be stuck in some crap hole project too and worrying about violence and vandalism because of the hood rats.
As far as things being fair, I can guarantee that people who are financially vested in real estate are not thinking, let's give handouts! Let's do the charitable thing!
@CestManan [quote]now if everybody who were poor were just people that are down on their luck it would be one thing but a lot of the Lower Class People are basically criminals and don't know how to take care of anything so if they are given Free Housing they just destroy it anyway. The projects have proven that time and time again.[/quote]
Wtf read up on sociological research and stop the vile generalisation you are such an awful person.
[quote]Plus when the projects are close to other neighborhoods it just brings down the property value of the good neighborhoods. [/quote]
@Gloomy hey I Am Lower socioeconomic class myself but I don't feel like I am owed anything. Do you honestly think it's a good idea to just give handouts to people that are not going to take care of it? There is no question that we all have challenges in life. The question is, what are we doing to improve our own situation? Now me, I wish I were in a better position but if I'm to be honest I'm not doing anything to get there so I cannot blame anyone else but myself. I don't expect the government or the community to give me a better life
@CestManan [quote]... people out there that think the world owes them a living ....[/quote]You should give back and pay back the cost of all you've leeched from the parents who got you to adulthood (debatable) and all you gain for free by daily access to the society you're supposedly part of.
Show me a self-proclaimed 'self made' person and I'll show you a fool.
@Really no I am not self-made, and as far as paying back parents, nobody owes their parents Jack shit. If people don't want kids then they need to abstain instead of thinking their kids are indebted to them.
@CestManan Providing basic necessities in order to make sure social cohesion stays strong, there are no homeless people etc... is not really giving handouts.
I think we should try to improve our situations but the capitalist economy makes it incredibly difficult. Just look at countries with srong labour parties... they are doing better than the US at least work on improving society. We are more than simply individuals living besides each other.
@specman There are plenty of people who are motivated by more than financial returns. If you equate success simply with wealth you risk labelling some highly skilled and essential occupations as 'average' or mediocre. I am relatively wealthy because I happen to have been lucky enough to have the right skills at the right time to win a few bets on the stock market. In my opinion the gains I have made are out of proportion to the social value of my occupation. My wife is an experienced paediatric nurse who would struggle to pay her own rent if it were not for my income. The social value of her occupation is obvious and beyond dispute. In a few years time I hope to have made enough money to retrain and work as a teacher, because I aspire to do something meaningful and useful with my labour. These are transfers of wealth that we are fortunate enough to be able to organise amongst ourselves. It would be fairer and more efficient if they took place through a democratically accountable system of taxation.
@SunshineGirl there are some that fall under your case . If you did not luck up would you strive to become successful at your life if your desired employment was only minimum wage and you were already at poverty level?
@specman people are actually forced to desire something else when the job that makes them happy still keeps them in poverty. Any job should pay enough so that none of their employees have to live in poverty. You also reduce success to financial gains.
