@AthrillatheHunt While I don't want to have a debate about abortion or even autonomy because those are going off the topic, Roe vs Wade was passed, not to make abortion moral, but to prevent women from dying unduly from having illegal abortions or self inflicted abortions. It was ruled far crueler to place a woman in a desperate situation where death is a possibility than to allow for abortions. It really had nothing to do with morals.

As for the draft, I think it is immoral to have.

Medical procedures done as a child were never under your control, but your parents because you were a minor and under the Constitution, are not provided the individual rights granted to adults. This is also why the fetus rights debate is illogical and unconstitutional. Minors and fetuses do not have Constitutional rights because they are not adults.

This is all i will say about these because it strays away from the topic.

@AthrillatheHunt not when it comes to the things you mentioned. Only in accordance to free speech and due process.

Again, off topic.

@awildsheepschase that is where your own morals come into play because societal morals can and do change, as we are seeing. It requires people to stand up for their own morals and not do things the things that go against your wrong morals. That is where we have a societal issue. Too many people are willing to sacrifice their own sense of rigjt morals and just do what everyone else is doing instead of standing up and saying it is wrong to have a discussion about what is happening.

@FoxyQueen It could be said, morals are the heart and ethics are the mind's consciousness listening to the heart. I listen to society, culture, but also is not my own entire sense of morals (especially in actions).

@HiFiRaver exactly!

@bijouxbroussard Yes, I hear you. The tolerance of intolerance is a social agreement and when that agreement has been broken the only option is to be intolerant of everything that may or may not affect you. It requires a strong sense of right and wrong and the ability to stand for those things. A lot of people just don't have the energy or fortitude to do that anymore.

@FoxyQueen That's understandable. He sounded confused on your wording which was odd because there was nothing confusing at all with your wording.

@onrealityofdreams Honestly, i think the post caused him some internal cognitive dissonance. To claim I am preaching morals when there isn't a single moral or ethical belief that I hold, or others hold, in this post, makes me think there was something internal going on that caused discomfort and the easy resolution was to throw it back on me, claiming that I am being unduly negative and judgemental. Because nothing they came back with had anything to do with the actual post and everything to with their reaction to it.

I can't help how my post makes people react. I just can't.

@FoxyQueen You're right. You can't control how someone interprets what is said. And when someone takes a few words and misconstrues them again, that is something beyond your control. You said nothing judgmental, either in your post or your responses.

@onrealityofdreams Thank you! I take that as high praise. I will pin it.

@FoxyQueen You're welcome. Thank you for posting it, and for pinning it.

@Fieldmaster Feel free!

@Nick1 But they are still rules. They aren't pirates lol

@NerdyPotato That is what we should be doing. Question everything in how it relates to you. Not just blindly add it to your file cabinet of things you've gathered.

@Nick1 those would fall under regulations, I believe. They are not part of your moral lexicon, but it is required to be adhered to. Laws are not morality. They are regulations. OSHA is not morality, it is regulations.

@FoxyQueen For Saint Augustine, all created things possess inherent goodness because they exist and have being, with God as the perfectly good source of all being. Evil is not a created substance but a privation of goodness, like a shadow is a "hole" in light, an absence or a lower degree of the goodness that should be present. This philosophical perspective, rooted in neoplatonism, asserts that all things originating from God are good, and their corruption or suffering comes from a turning away from God or a diminishment of their proper goodness

@val70 but St Augustine is not in the bible. God and Jesus have directly said to not listen to the words of men, but the words of God, regardless of how good those words are. 🤷‍♀

Again, you are free to follow what your heart wants to follow.

@FoxyQueen I'm in good company of those that take their morality from the bible. Like goodness, there's more in substance there than anywhere else. Why then is there culturally such a difference between the light and darkness? And many more practical things that find their origines there