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Say what you will about the New Atheists...

They stood for debate. There was an intellectualism to it even if not all its proponents were philosophically rigorous (though I fault Sam Harris's "The Moral Landscape" less than most). They went away. Trump got elected. Then Charlie Kirk gets shot. Say what you will about him, he also stood for debate. And Trump is very serious about silencing his opponents however he can. Free speech in America was always sort of penned in by what it was communally appropriate to say, and that was true of the founding of the country no less than it is true of left and right today. But we had a culture of tolerated dissent. It hasn't always worked out well for us. The Civil War is an obvious breakdown of this. And it did us little good in the Gilded Age or the Depression. But this seems to be failing us again. The right hates the left with a passion, and the left is stuck with trying to manage a fascist President. Tolerated dissent isn't really a thing anymore. Intergroup dialogue, debate, is not a popular thing. I'm not talking about scripted youtube series or podcasts, I'm talking about legitimate opening up to legitimate points and meeting or admitting you cannot meet them in a case. It might touch someone's sacred cow. And we can't have that, it isn't polite. Which is just an overreach of things like politeness. People need to talk to each other more instead of interacting with bots.
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Then Charlie Kirk gets shot. Say what you will about him, he also stood for debate.

Kirk edited his videos to make his opponents look as bad as possible. He wasn't about debate, he was about getting footage to use in fascist propaganda. The plan was always to help elect fascist politicians, so that they could one day shut down free speech. At least, that was the plan until he lost a debate so badly that his neck exploded.
I thought the American civil war was about slavery🤔
@Sidewinder oh i understand that too.

I also understand that the southern sugar barons were making obscene profits due to the fact they had a MASSIVE free labour source.

There is no way in hell those that didn't have that sort of unethical advantage, could complete economically.

No war is ever for one single reason.
@OogieBoogie
I think its terribly unfair to water down how strong an issue slavery is ....into just "dissenting parties '.

I agree. And all anyone has to do to fully understand how strongly the South felt about the prospect of slavery being abolished is to consider the fact that they chose to leave the United States and then go to war—to be able to continue owning human beings.

The South also fired the first shots of the Civil War, at Fort Sumter.
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