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To clarify......

I believe everyone has the right to live as they please providing it doesn't harm another.

Love is love, whether you're in a heterosexual relationship or not.

If you wish to dress as a man, when you're a woman....go ahead fill your boots.

However.....all the political correctness bullshit about genders and the trans community has gotten out of hand.

You are biologically either male or female at birth. No amount of gender reassignment is going to change that!

Children do not need to learn about all this in schools. Yes a little awareness maybe, but they don't need to know the terms for 109 different genders/ or that Fred nextdoor has turned into Maureen and likes to wear fishnet stockings but doesn't shave his/her legs FFS!

Let's keep it real. Let children be children.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
[quote]Children do not need to learn about all this in schools. Yes a little awareness maybe, but they don't need to know the terms for 109 different genders/ or that Fred nextdoor has turned into Maureen and likes to wear fishnet stockings but doesn't shave his/her legs FFS!
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What on earth is unsafe for kids about trans people? Kids have *FAMILY* who are trans or nonbinary.

[b]You're literally talking about banning children from discussing who their parents and siblings are at school.[/b]

And where does this line of reasoning lead? If trans and nonbinary people are somehow unsafe for children.... well what do you do to protect the children?

Should people who are unsafe for children even be allowed to hold jobs where they interact with children? Adopt children? What about go out in public? What about even be in families? Should the government "save" children from their families that have trans people in them?

You need to actually think through these ideas and what it means for people and what kinds of policies you support.
Lanie78 · 41-45, F
@CountScrofula Thing is I haven't said anywhere that trans are unsafe for children. Yes I've read stories of incidents where trans have taken advantage of being women to gain trust and prey on children etc but they're not common stories. My stance is children don't need to be taught in great depth about trans etc. Everyone has jumped on my post claiming this and that, and taking it out of context. I've nothing against the trans community.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@Lanie78 Everyone is jumping on your post because there's literal laws being passed right now which are terrifying for trans people. I'm going to extreme conclusions, because those extreme conclusions are -already reality-.

> My stance is children don't need to be taught in great depth about trans etc.

What does 'in depth' mean? What do you think children are currently being taught?
BigGuy2 · 26-30, M
@Lanie78 ... FOOLS like Scrofula - nutjobs - try to imply or place words into your post that you haven't stated {'unsafe'} so that they can then twist the narrative to imply that you HATE trans, thankfully, you picked up on the fact and pointed out to him that you didn't state in your post that they were 'unsafe' ... another technique used, is they will almost invariably state "you're lying" then when asked to identify that 'lie' they just ignore you, please read my:

[b]'Lib*ardism by numbers'[/b] post

It sums up these techniques that these nutjobs use to TWIST the narrative perfectly

@CountScrofula
Gloomy · F
😮‍💨 Not another transphobe masking her lack of empathy and understanding with the lame "think of the children" argumentation.

[quote]Children do not need to learn about all this in schools. Yes a little awareness maybe, but they don't need to know the terms for 109 different genders/ or that Fred nextdoor has turned into Maureen and likes to wear fishnet stockings but doesn't shave his/her legs FFS![/quote]

This doesn’t happen and such ignorant takes that are obviously false are frustrating.
Just say you are a transphobe and leave it at that.
Gloomy · F
@Lanie78 Your opinion is not founded on reality, research or experience. It just contributes to a problem that I want to eliminate. This culture war is a disgusting discourse that is harmful.

Disabled people unfortunately are overlooked in the public discourse while queer people have to put up with misinformation and problematic framing like the one you put out
Lanie78 · 41-45, F
@Gloomy You have extreme views in what you believe. It doesn't matter what I say, you'll always disagree. Enjoy your day.
Really · 80-89, M
@Gloomy[quote] kids are curious and less judgmental and have no problem understanding even things adults deem more complex[/quote]This is well stated.
BlueVeins · 22-25
[quote]Yes a little awareness maybe, but they don't need to know the terms for 109 different genders/ or that Fred nextdoor has turned into Maureen and likes to wear fishnet stockings but doesn't shave his/her legs FFS![/quote]

Do you have a specific example of this happening? The most I've seen kids taught is that sometimes people switch genders and/or marry people of the opposite gender. In public schools, anyway.
Torsten · 36-40, M
@BlueVeins "sometimes people switch genders" 🤣
BigGuy2 · 26-30, M
@Torsten ... do they have an on/off switch ... 🤭🤭🤭

"Right people, i'm male for the next 10 minutes, after coffee, i'll be female ... if you STILL call me male after coffee, you're a Transphobe"
Torsten · 36-40, M
@BigGuy2 its truly gotten to be insane and its because so many keep feeding others delusions.
The current conservative hysteria over trans people is just the latest from the Republican distraction machine. There is nothing wrong with an age-appropriate presentation of the fact that trans people exist. Don't fall for this garbage. This is just an extension of the Satanic Panic of the 1980s, where everyone was convinced that leaving your kids in day care would expose them to horrific satanic rituals, when in fact, this wasn't happening at all.

The Republicans want you distracted by nonsense so they can carry out their goals of voter suppression, shifting wealth from the middle to the upper class, destroying public schools, and turning women into incubators and brown people into slaves.
revenant · F
@LeopoldBloom women incubators and brown slaves lol🤭
@revenant I don't think they will be able to pull that off but they are definitely trying. Ron DeSantis is presenting himself as the vanguard of that movement and is falling on his face, but they're not all as incompetent as he is.
SW-User
What are you so afraid of? A child with a trans family member or gay parents may feel normal and included. It’s not about brainwashing or being indecent with children. It’s about teaching them about the society they live in and that all of it is ok and accepted
SW-User
@Lanie78 so by your logic Children should not be taught about heterosexual relationships either, no “mummies and daddies” games or anything. For that matter scrap RE because we can’t teach them about religion they have to decide for themselves. Get rid of history, if they can’t learn about current society they clearly can’t learn about the past (let’s face it, it was way more brutal than people being in homosexual relationships). Nobody is trying to make children decide anything, or make them grow up too quickly
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revenant · F
Yep. Young kids should not have sex talk at a young age. They are too young to understand that an ideology is being pushed on them meant to utterly confuse them.
revenant · F
@SW-User no use talking to you lot because you say always the same crap.

Moreover you will of course not answer questions but divert. bye
SW-User
@revenant I answered your questions, and explained why this is all bullshit. At the end of the day, you do not like the fact that LGBTQ+ people exist, so you run away.

Bye indeed. Don't forget to block me on your way out😎 Checkmate!
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[quote]"live as they please"[/quote] [b]Meh I dunno about that, some things I do not wanna see or hear.. I do not think it is ok for people to be used, brainwashed and conditioned to think, do and say certain things to fit certain narratives/agendas



[quote]"doesn't harm another"[/quote]
Right sooooooooo how do we know it does "not" harm another person.. maybe things that someone does in their own life to [quote]"live as they please"[/quote] might be hurting him or her..even family and friends!.



[quote]"Love is love"[/quote] Really? Hmmmmm not always the case, sorry don't agree with that and kind of gross to have this kinda thing preached and having everyone be "ok" with it.. 🙅🏼‍♀️ NO children should not be conditioned with this and other things. 🤷🏼‍♀️


[quote]If you wish to dress as a man, when you're a woman....go ahead fill your boots.[/quote] OH Fuck NO 🙅🏼‍♀️ Men are Men and Women are Women..sorry nothing else. 🙅🏼‍♀️ 🤷🏼‍♀️ 🤢🤮





Well it is being pushed on us and ESPECIALLY on Children which is NOT Ok. People and children should not have to deal with this kind of bullshit. Life was better when this was not being pushed on everyone.. way to condition and brainwash people plus get people against one another.




Baby is a boy or a girl..


Baby Boy grows into a Man!

Baby Girl grows into a Woman!

End of 🙅🏼‍♀️ yes NO Inbetween and also no animals like a unicorn or whatever bullshit the coloured hair people are brainwashed and conditioned to follow narrative/agenda.. And as for the re ass ignment that is utter crap, you cannot change who you are and it might fuck up ur health!..and NO going back!



This is a way to get rid of the common family and that is what they want as easier to control people..





Children do not need to know about anything like that so also no [quote]"awareness"[/quote] sad when children stand up to this kinda thing and more they have to have a talk or whatever with headteacher which is nonsense.





Of course Children should be children and not groomed and more.





People and children that feel the need to say they are "trans" a lot when they change who they are and no way to go back feel sad, lonely, depressed, suicidal and that kind of thing so best not to do that and especially not good for children.
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Gloomy · F
@Gloomy [big][center][u][i][b][c=A69800]HAHA you are totally immature 😂🤣 ohhhhhhh the middle finger again...I am soooooooooo scared haha NOT.



🤦‍♀️😂🤣[/c][/b][/i][/u][/center][/big]
Gloomy · F
Mcmarie90 · 31-35, F
Even the "at birth" phrase is a lie. It's not like your born and the doctor decides what your sex is. Sex is the result of what happens when the sperm meets the egg and what your chromosomes are. They stuff is determined way before you are born.
Gloomy · F
@Persephonee So we should stay apolitical and simply watch society go worse again?
Friends of mine are trans I won't let them be devalued.
Persephonee · 22-25, F
@Gloomy I don't think it's devaluing someone to say that biologically speaking they're incapable of (or, a member of the only part of the population capable of) doing a certain thing. If a transwoman finds herself more empowered, happy, content, confident, to be herself - for that matter anyone being themselves - then I'm only glad we live in a society where that's even halfway possible.

It doesn't devalue the experiences or identity of transwomen to say that they are categorically different from natal women (or transmen from natal men for that matter).

It does, however, devalue natal women (or natal men) to suggest that transwomen (or transmen) have anything like the same experiences in growing up; or to suggest that adult men or women, natal- or trans-, are identical in every particular.

We're not. But that notwithstanding, there's room enough in humanity for us all.
SW-User
@Persephonee just out of interest is an infertile female less of a woman? How about a female who has had a hysterectomy? Be careful that some of your statements are incredibly offensive to some biological women too. As soon as people use periods and child birth to define a woman they are ostracising and demeaning those women who can’t or don’t…they are not less than women simply because their reproductive organs work differently.
Ryannnnnn · 31-35, M
This is what was said about gay people when it wasn't seen as normative. As for the assertion that you're either one or the other that's been proven false in some cases, when looking at brain scans of samples of trans people showing a difference in brain activity in certain regions over others which is indicative of sex differences.

Thing is, before kids were told about homosexuality there was more phobia and bullying/hate crimes as a result when they were adults, so this is necessary. Learning isn't scary, but ignorance is
Really · 80-89, M
[quote]You are biologically either male or female at birth[/quote]This is NOT UNIVERSALLY TRUE and if it were not for unintelligent stupid prejudice there would be nothing wrong with children knowing it

- and there would be no need for defiantly defending any 'ambiguity' or expressing special pride in one's personal sexuality.
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Lanie78 · 41-45, F
@jshm2 You take everything out of context.
[quote] Yes a little awareness maybe, but they don't need to know the terms for 109 different genders/ or that Fred nextdoor has turned into Maureen and likes to wear fishnet stockings but doesn't shave his/her legs FFS! [/quote]


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Lanie78 · 41-45, F
Really · 80-89, M
I think these digital media do far more to misinform kids and distort their minds than schools will ever do. Same goes for plenty of the alleged adults; just read some of their posts.
Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
Probably should eliminate the brainwashing of young children through Sunday school too. Let them grow up and decide which religion (if any) fits them the best.
SW-User
Please read up on

Congenital adrenal hyperplasia and androgen insensitivity…

It’s a couple steps beyond bio 101, 102
aivibe · 18-21, F
im so indifferent to this subject i never understood why people care so much. if it doesnt directly affect me then why should i care
Really · 80-89, M
If parents and others didn't push their idealized stereotypes onto kids there would be a lot less anguish; stop urging them to 'behave like a real man', or treating them like little fairy princesses. Within socially acceptable morality children should be left unwarped; allowed to develop their own personalities - their real potential.
BigGuy2 · 26-30, M
@Really 🤔 ... oh right, so let's see:

Teaching them to be a "...little fairy princesses..." is [b]warped[/b] is it, but telling them:

"You too can have a c*ck like me, so let's stitch one onto you" is NOT [b]warped[/b]

Once they become adults, they will develop their own minds and if they want to change, they can, as they don't have to abide by what their parents believe is right for them

In this brave new World of yours, of "i don't give a fcuk about morality, who are you to say what i can and cannot do" ... what's going to happen next...

...are we going to have murderers and rapists, murdering and raping and their defence at Court is:

"My morality, it that i wanted to murder and rape, how dare you and society impose your WARPED morality onto me"

🤔 ...also, let's see:

[b]Little Fairy Princesses:[/b]
Parents teaching them to be:

[i]Nice to people

Treat others how you would like to be treated

Think the best of people

Etc etc[/i]

[b][i]Is that WARPED[/i][/b]

[b]Real man:[/b]
Parents teaching them to be:
[i]
Strong

Protect the weak/women

Do jobs that women will NEVER do[/i]

[i]Etc etc[/i]

[i][b][i]Is that WARPED[/i][/b][/i]
Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
In some countries I'm aware of parents pushing their "cute" boys to be females so that they can be groomed to become prostitutes and send money back to the family. There are few jobs in some countries that pay adequately and if one parent become sick the family is desperate.
Torsten · 36-40, M
TheFragile · 46-50, M
Obviously, you have no trans people in your family. If you did, you would understand the importance of teaching all gender roles at both home and school.
Lanie78 · 41-45, F
@TheFragile No I don't. However it doesn't make my opinion any less valid than yours.
Gloomy · F
@Lanie78 Your opinion is not found on research, experience with trans people but only on your personal bias and a lie about what happens at school.
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Gloomy · F
@Lanie78 [quote]I'm not personally responsible. Theres hate in this world for all manner of things.[/quote]

No but you are responsible not to further it by reproducing talking points.
Really · 80-89, M
@Gloomy [quote]You are biologically either male or female at birth[/quote][c=BF0000][b]Again[/b][/c] - NOT TRUE in all cases. Implying the need for more, not less, education on the subject.
Elessar · 26-30, M
@Livingwell Dude, those who are commenting are expressing an opinion too. Are you offended because people have an opinion against her opinion, while trying to preach for freedom of opinion? 😂

 
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