To clarify......

I believe everyone has the right to live as they please providing it doesn't harm another.

Love is love, whether you're in a heterosexual relationship or not.

If you wish to dress as a man, when you're a woman....go ahead fill your boots.

However.....all the political correctness bullshit about genders and the trans community has gotten out of hand.

You are biologically either male or female at birth. No amount of gender reassignment is going to change that!

Children do not need to learn about all this in schools. Yes a little awareness maybe, but they don't need to know the terms for 109 different genders/ or that Fred nextdoor has turned into Maureen and likes to wear fishnet stockings but doesn't shave his/her legs FFS!

Let's keep it real. Let children be children.

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Mcmarie90 · 31-35, F

Even the "at birth" phrase is a lie. It's not like your born and the doctor decides what your sex is. Sex is the result of what happens when the sperm meets the egg and what your chromosomes are. They stuff is determined way before you are born.

Gloomy · F

@Mcmarie90 But what a "man" and a "woman" is, behavioral patterns, expressions, clothing, interests, ... are all products of society not biology.
You and we as society put way too much emphasis on biological differences that are not as significant and huge as you would like them to be.

Mcmarie90 · 31-35, F

@Gloomy in 1000 years, when they discover my bones, they will find my hips wider then a males. I have different internal organs then a male, and I produce milk for the offspring that only I can carry for 9 months. If you think being a woman is dressing up in certain clothes, then you truly know nothing about women.

Gloomy · F

@Mcmarie90 I don't define myself simply after my biology that would be reductionist and how they dig you up in 1000 years is irrelevant. I am more than my body.

If you think being a woman is not a social category and is not more complex than biology I feel sorry for you. I don't let myself be defined by my abillity to give birth.

Mcmarie90 · 31-35, F

@Gloomy Never said that you should. Everyone wants to define themselves by one thing, and sex is one of them. I'm more then just my body parts. But pretending that men can give birth just belittles the differences in the genders, everyone that agrees with it knows it's not true.

Gloomy · F

@Mcmarie90 No one pretends men can give birth but giving birth is also not a defining characteristic of women therefore it is not a valid argument against trans people.
It's also a difference between sex not gender because gender is a social relation and an identity

Mcmarie90 · 31-35, F

@Gloomy There are organs in our bodies designed to carry a child, our hips are wider to allow a child to pass through. We have monthly cycles where an egg is released, and this happens for almost 40 years. It's a pretty big characteristic, even if it's not THE defining one.

Gloomy · F

@Mcmarie90 We are not breeding machines and parenthood is not just something a mother does and not every woman even wants kids.

Mcmarie90 · 31-35, F

@Gloomy Again, I didn't say that. But men can't do it, thus it's a characteristic of the female sex.

Persephonee · 22-25, F

@Gloomy I think Mcmarie90's point is that (more or less) every woman, at least in a certain age bracket, *can*. The fact we might be able to choose is related to our all being human beings, not related to our having (or not having) particular body parts.

Males are the sperm-donating portion of sexual reproduction, and females simply can't be expected to join certain golf clubs. It's not discrimination, it's just science...

Gloomy · F

@Persephonee That's fine and all but you have to see the context. She posted it under a clearly bigotted post that goes against trans people. Her whole argument can be viewed as anti trans.

Persephonee · 22-25, F

@Gloomy Well my view is that rather than jumping onto the bandwagon of cultural-political gossip, we should all (whatever our strongly held views on this kind of issue) take a deep breath and wait until we're 75 and see how things turn out.

Life is never made better by instinctive reaction or counter-reaction.

Gloomy · F

@Persephonee So we should stay apolitical and simply watch society go worse again?
Friends of mine are trans I won't let them be devalued.

Persephonee · 22-25, F

@Gloomy I don't think it's devaluing someone to say that biologically speaking they're incapable of (or, a member of the only part of the population capable of) doing a certain thing. If a transwoman finds herself more empowered, happy, content, confident, to be herself - for that matter anyone being themselves - then I'm only glad we live in a society where that's even halfway possible.

It doesn't devalue the experiences or identity of transwomen to say that they are categorically different from natal women (or transmen from natal men for that matter).

It does, however, devalue natal women (or natal men) to suggest that transwomen (or transmen) have anything like the same experiences in growing up; or to suggest that adult men or women, natal- or trans-, are identical in every particular.

We're not. But that notwithstanding, there's room enough in humanity for us all.

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@Persephonee just out of interest is an infertile female less of a woman? How about a female who has had a hysterectomy? Be careful that some of your statements are incredibly offensive to some biological women too. As soon as people use periods and child birth to define a woman they are ostracising and demeaning those women who can’t or don’t…they are not less than women simply because their reproductive organs work differently.