Any suggestions?

@Patientlywaiting If that were true, then it would be the same in every culture and throughout history. But like all gender roles, this various based on time and region.

@BohemianBoo which cultures do women predominantly provide and the men look after the babies? Men do not have breast milk so they evolved to hunt/provide.

@Patientlywaiting https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/g28565280/matriarchal-societies-list/

Also, the social power of women has fluctuated a lot throughout western history. For a long time in Scandinavia, women controlled the household money. There were also a lot of ancient Celtic tribes where women were the leaders. There was the Minoan Civilization, which was matriarchal.
There have also been many societies that recognized three genders. There concept of gender roles was obvi way different than ours.

Then another thing is that technology is changing modern gender roles. Women can work from home while preggers, men can feed their babies with formula, and so on.

@BohemianBoo well in our society, the majority of straight men prefer to lead I think

@Patientlywaiting Sure, because they've been conditioned to think that way. It's not biological, it's cultural.

@BohemianBoo I think they generally do a better job because able to think more logically and less emotionally.

@Patientlywaiting That's the media narrative, but... really? Doesn't it seem more like humans as a whole are emotional?
If you care about the science, there's no evidence that either sex is more logical-thinking than the other.

@BohemianBoo well that depends where you get your science from, so many articles online each with their own argument regarding gender and biological differences.

@Patientlywaiting That's why we have to go by mainstream reputable sources and compiled studies.

@BohemianBoo Scandinavian societies have a very long history of being very progressive when it comes to women. Even during the Viking aged women were in the armies fighting side by side with men and even held rank and commanded troops in battle.

https://phys.org/news/2017-09-genetic-proof-women-viking-warriors.amp

@DarkHeaven Yeah, a lot of the Germanic and Celtic tribes had women warriors.
Supposedly the women of the Lombards tied their hair in front of their faces to make it look like beards, so the Romans thought they were men during raids. That's both clever and hilarious.

@BohemianBoo my Da is Icelandic, so that’s mostly Scandinavian with a bit of Gaelic and my Mum is Northern Irish and with her it’s majority Gaelic with heavy Scandinavian influence from the Vikings that invaded and held parts of Ireland during the Viking ages, so yeah… That’s pretty much my people. lol

@DarkHeaven I figured you were at least part Viking since you know about Icelandic music and language.

@DarkHeaven @BohemianBoo

Mens and womens brains are different. We each have different strengths and weaknesses. Women are generally better at communication, including reading and writing and men excel in mathematical and visual spacial awareness. There are also differences in ability in women before and after ovulation. I think these sources are fairly "mainstream and reputable."

https://stanmed.stanford.edu/how-mens-and-womens-brains-are-different/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4129348/

@BohemianBoo yeah, I actually speak Icelandic as well as English. My Mum knows Irish but she never taught us kids.

@DarkHeaven Aww, I think you had the same situation I had. I was born and raised in America, but my parents immigrated from Germany and made sure I grew up speaking English and German.
Mom is a Balkan mutt, which makes me half German, half Balkan mutt.

By the way, the Icelandic language looks absolutely insane when written down. It sounds similar to most North Germanic languages, but when it's written out, god damn.

@Patientlywaiting I’m not sure anyone has said that there are not biological differences between men and women up to and including how they think but that’s a far cry from your first points.

[quote]I think men are hard wired to provide protect, provision is the main way they protect in the modern world. It's not politically correct to admit this if you're a man but I think if a woman earns more, it can impact his self worth and ultimately breed resentment and a relationship will suffer.[/quote]

[quote]I think they generally do a better job because able to think more logically and less emotionally.[/quote]

It’s kind of making some assertions that are not necessarily backed up at all by either article. Most of what you are saying is not a biological difference but more a sociatal difference for the men that were raised in those societies.

@Patientlywaiting I'm sure there are differences between the male brain and the female brain, but I haven't seen any reputable source say the male brain is more logical or better at leading. I think most, if not all, gender roles are totally cultural.

I'm also skeptical when it comes to the idea that the differences we do know of are purely biological. Experiences at an early age can alter the brain and we assign gender to people the moment they're born.

@BohemianBoo Yeah we still use the old alphabet with letters like þorn (Þ, þ), same as English did in the time of Beowulf.

@BohemianBoo [quote]I'm sure there are differences between the male brain and the female brain, but I haven't seen any reputable source say the male brain is more logical or better at leading. I think most, if not all, gender roles are totally cultural.[/quote]

Agreed. This is backed up very well by the historical references we both have been providing.

[quote]I'm also skeptical when it comes to the idea that the differences we do know of are purely biological. Experiences at an early age can alter the brain and we assign gender to people the moment they're born.[/quote]

This is a good point and also seems to be backed up by the slowly changing role of men in society even here in the US. Non gender conforming people are becoming more and more common, which begins to beg the question what gender roles are biological at all, and if they are what effect does environment play on brain formation at certain ages.

@Patientlywaiting You bring up incredibly good points, I just don’t agree with the “hard wired” parts of what you asserted. Makes the effects no less real and profound for men and women in our societies.

@Patientlywaiting I’m not at all arguing your perception. I just would argue the “hard wired” part. I think it’s a societal thing that makes many of us like that and has very little to do with brain make up. Like I said, good points and still very real… either way.

@BohemianBoo This is one of my favorite Icelandic groups, Hórmónar.

They are so hot. I wish you could speak Icelandic, this song is crazy hot.

Hórmónar - Kynsvelt

[youtube=https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aDJXNXCaD-A]

@DarkHeaven She does sounds really sexy when she slows down and she's all shlop slep ya vill ya ya...