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robertsnj · 56-60, M
i guess I would start by saying that is two questions. Morals and ethics are not synonyms. Similar but not the same. In addition both are social constructs and in that idea the proposition of a sole single individual being an archetype that reelects a group is hard for me personally to conceive. I might be able to give traits of morals or traits of ethics, again two different questions, but given that no person is so consistent that they are the embodiment of those ideals is a tough ask.
For instance you brought up MLK as good and Andrew Tate as bad. Both probably overall true but MLK cheated on his wife and wasn't much of a family man (given the intensity of his mission)
Andrew Tate, who I agree sucks overall as a human was an incredible kick boxer and probably helped a lot of other fighters in his gym get better by being in the same stable and giving out tips.
In terms of both topics, morals and ethics I think they are grey and and by listing people as archetypes we turn a grey idea, may not intentionally but in margins to more black and white.
To give you an example of something you hold dear, politics, ex president Bill Clinton, saved our oil economy with NAFTA and in the process helped our neighbors to the north and the south but watched the most horrific genocide in modern history in terms of speed and intensity -Rwanda without lifting a finger. His sexual pressure on women wasn't good. His policies helped more people then it hurt. it would be hard to pin him down as a rep for moral or ethical but policies he pushed through--many that were championed by economic or foreign advisors could all be dissected to some degree and nuggets of what is moral or ethical could be mined (extrapolated) from those ideas.
I am not confident arch types exist but cultural postulations of broad themes of either morals or ethics is digestible and the common theme at least the USA's political landscape under the label culture wars
For instance you brought up MLK as good and Andrew Tate as bad. Both probably overall true but MLK cheated on his wife and wasn't much of a family man (given the intensity of his mission)
Andrew Tate, who I agree sucks overall as a human was an incredible kick boxer and probably helped a lot of other fighters in his gym get better by being in the same stable and giving out tips.
In terms of both topics, morals and ethics I think they are grey and and by listing people as archetypes we turn a grey idea, may not intentionally but in margins to more black and white.
To give you an example of something you hold dear, politics, ex president Bill Clinton, saved our oil economy with NAFTA and in the process helped our neighbors to the north and the south but watched the most horrific genocide in modern history in terms of speed and intensity -Rwanda without lifting a finger. His sexual pressure on women wasn't good. His policies helped more people then it hurt. it would be hard to pin him down as a rep for moral or ethical but policies he pushed through--many that were championed by economic or foreign advisors could all be dissected to some degree and nuggets of what is moral or ethical could be mined (extrapolated) from those ideas.
I am not confident arch types exist but cultural postulations of broad themes of either morals or ethics is digestible and the common theme at least the USA's political landscape under the label culture wars