do you believe in ghosts?

@MarkPaul ive witness things so they might be real. because what would make a door shake violently by itself or having something jump on your bed when u sleep

@undetermined (Your) Imagination is a force to be reckoned with.

@MarkPaul lmao that wasnt imagination.

@undetermined That's what "they" all say...

@MarkPaul yeah a door shaking on its own is just an imagination.

@undetermined Use the scientific method to find the solution instead of letting [i]your imagination[/i] pull you into a premature conclusion.

@MarkPaul okay so going into your friends grandparents house where his grandparents died in and people staying there had things move on them and going up to your friends bedroom asking if he was in there and the door was shaking violently so calling out his name and getting no response then going back to outside and he was out by the door then telling him about it and he said he wasnt there. yeah science is going to explain that.

@undetermined Maybe, maybe not. But, [i]the idea[/i] of ghosts, while convenient and perhaps thrilling (to you), won't explain it either... not definitively.

@undetermined Make a door shake violently : Literally anything that causes vibrations.

Having something jump on your bed while you're sleeping : Night terrors, they fit perfectly into the situation where you're sleeping and experience something nasty which you believe is real. It's common.

@undetermined I have had similar experiences.

@MartinTheFirst yeah doors dont shake on their own and it shook for a pretty good time this wasnt just a few shakes. night terrors would be while u are sleeping not while u are up.

@undetermined During night terrors you're in a state between awake and asleep. You can see things clearly in your room but your imagination just as clearly, this causes a great disturbance to your half awake mindset since no matter what you do everything [i]seems[/i] like it's real. It's a mixture of real and dream.

@undetermined My assumption of night terrors apply to every instance where you're in bed about to sleep. Nothing else than that. I experienced it myself one time and it was awful, but clearly it was not real. First I saw a shadow-figure of my mother when I looked down the bed and I called her name, but she didnt respond and walked out the door, afterwards I heard something like animalistic scream which I could only compare to a bat making a high pitched noise at the time. That final noise of a bat set it in stone for me that it was just my imagination because I clearly had made that noise up in my mind to understand that it was from a bat. I then felt like I woke up a second time and walked to my mother.

@MartinTheFirst the only night terror thing i felt was sleep paralysis. but as for the jumping on the bed, i felt it after i woke up too, same as for my parents, what would be the coincidence all three of us had the same night terror and for my parents to have the same one at the same time.

@undetermined So the coincidence is what makes it into a ghost? And I sincerely doubt that you had the exact same experience. I imagine you had somewhat similar experiences and afterhand talked about it and in order to relate to each other you all tried to make your experiences sound as similar as possible. This is a common thing to do instead of paying attention to the differences since 1) It's a way to create an interesting narrative for you all to talk about and 2) You want to believe what you saw instead of realizing how fragile your perception of reality is and how it can easily be warped. That's a difficult insight to grasp.

@MartinTheFirst no you are just being argumentive lol, you are saying its night terrors which is wrong because 3 people wouldnt experience the same thing nor 2 people having it the same time seeing and feeling the same thing.

@undetermined Well in the end it's your experience to own. I'm just sharing my own insight on the matter.

@MartinTheFirst you have a warped sense of reality and just like to argue with what other people have experience. im guessing you are one of these people who have to assume they are always right.

@undetermined Tbh, it seems you are the one with a conclusion you have literally cooked up to suit you and then blaming us for bursting your fantasy bubble. If this is what you are intent to believe, your imagination will allow you to believe it no matter how much reality you are offered.

@MarkPaul lmao, i didnt cooked up anything u werent there to any of this so you are trying to put your own spin on it, being an atheist you dont believe any of it so you would rather mock. yet have no explanation to any of it.

@undetermined smells like a BBQ around 'ere

@undetermined I'm not an atheist, dummy. Hearing noises in the middle of night could be almost anything, but I can assure you, it's not ghosts.

@MartinTheFirst LOL

@MartinTheFirst yeah youre an ass. trying to tell people what they had witnessed.