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This one is about forgiveness

It came up in one of the classes I have to take in order to stay in this program (might get kicked out soon anyways.)

It was about forgiveness and spiritual growth. And I brought up the question about the negative aspect of forgiveness because to me in order to forgive something you have to accept what happened and to me there are somethings you just can't accept and move on. To me that would be an injustice and a copout for the other people. But does that mean I won't be forgiven of my sins because I can't accept the sins of other people? Jesus forgives other people through his grace and love. And although I don't even like certain people it shouldn't be on me to accept them or the things that they have done.

And I don't care if Jesus does forgive them and they go to heaven when they die. Heaven is a very big place it's not like I'll actually have to see them or if I did I'd rather be in hell anyway. Now before this turns into an hour long page of me ranting about hating people. Does anyone have an opinion on forgiveness? And can you still hold on to resentments and live a pure life.
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NewWorldToronto · 51-55, M Best Comment
Forgiveness doesn’t mean saying what happened was okay, removing consequences, or reconciling with someone. It simply means choosing not to let the offense keep controlling your internal state. You can set boundaries, enforce accountability, and even cut someone out of your life without carrying long-term resentment. Anger can be a signal that a boundary was crossed, but holding onto it indefinitely keeps you attached to the injury. If living a pure life means integrity and internal alignment, chronic resentment eventually distorts that. Forgiveness isn’t letting them off the hook. It’s releasing yourself from carrying them.
@NewWorldToronto That's not forgiveness, that's just accepting that you can't do anything about what happened. Forgiveness would be if you had the power to kill the person who wronged you, and you decide not to.
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Baybreeze · 41-45, F
It's interesting, there's an author who is an expert on narcissists. She's a psychologist as well. She was in a video interview once and they asked, Should you forgive your abuser or someone who hurt you, a narcissist etc..? She said I'm a bit different from others. " I don't NEED to forgive if someone nearly affected my entire LIFE or tried to kill my soul/spirit. I do not have to forgive honestly, because it was my LIFE" I really liked that. Most psychologist might say Just forgive. But I like her view as well, we don't Have to if it was very serious.
Prince0217 · M
@Baybreeze I kinda agree.
kodiac · 22-25, M
I agree with most of what you said . For me the only power i have over the people that hurt me is my forgivness . To me forgiving means i understand what happened and it wasn't that bad ,but i don't understand and it was that bad. I hear things like oh holding a grudge is like taking poison and expecting the other person to die ,i don't see it that way . if a person steals my money i could forgive ,if you steal my soul ,no . I believe my forgivness might play into where they go when they die and that's when my power comes into play. Someone said forgiving is if you have the power to kill them but don't do it . Not sure i could pass that test
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kodiac · 22-25, M
@Lostpoet So sorry you're still dealing with that stuff, looking over your shoulder all the time is exhausting. i tried to get as far away from them as possible and stay pretty much off the grid . Maybe one day i'll lose the anger but if given a chance i'd make them suffer .
Many people misunderstand forgiveness. In the Biblical sense, it's analogous to forgiving a debt. In order to do that, the creditor must first have power over the debtor, where he could force him to pay, but instead, he forgives the debt. But if he has no ability to collect the debt, forgiving it is irrelevant because the debtor doesn't have to pay in either case.

So if someone wrongs you, you can't forgive them unless you have power over them to hold them accountable. If you don't have that power, your forgiveness means nothing because the effect on the person is the same whether you forgive them or not. Your forgiveness has to be meaningful to the person you're forgiving, otherwise you're just wasting your time. If someone assaults me and I have no ability to harm them, saying I forgive them doesn't mean anything, because I can't harm them anyway, so saying I'm not going to harm them when I couldn't even if I wanted to changes nothing.

It's different when you're talking about God because in Christianity, God has total power over people, so when he forgives them this has a real effect.

It's amazing how many religious people misunderstand this concept.
bookerdana · M
What kind of class?? I guess in thee presence of infinite joy in the Beatific vision such things might seem small...but we are flesh and blood, MEN,and need to be reminded to forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us because we ain't there yet😔 and its hard andc yer playing a sticky wicket,RN..
JohnnySpot · 56-60, M
It's not like you have to start sending them Christmas cards.

 
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