Was is real? Is there reality left? What stays?

Tell me what makes something real, something that will stay the course of time and examination. Isn't everything that we think not nonreal? To be honest, I'm heading for bed. Being tired is real enough.

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PhoenixPhail · M

I think the thing that makes something real, is our belief. But, I think whatever we believe is subject to shift with new, or possibly a new understanding of the information which we use to [i]form[/i] our beliefs. So, the only thing which may stay the course of time, as you say, is the shift, itself.

Whatever we say is real, is real, because our beliefs MAKE it so. You can have half a dozen witnesses to the same car wreck, and get half a dozen different accounts, just because you're dealing with different people. Each story represents that person's reality of what happened. There's no right or wrong (that's a judgement issue), and no one is lying.

val70 · 51-55

@PhoenixPhail Isn't belief the result of perception any way? Isn't there some evidence to say that both individual perception and factional context need to come together first? That there is some degree of agreeing what's reality is for the common purpose. With only the indivial belief there's no way to settle any dispute, let along agree on reality.

PhoenixPhail · M

@val70 Yes, belief IS the result of perception. There is [i]much[/i] evidence both individual perception and factional content come together. And, considering we all have the same basic sensory equipment, work within the same time/space continuum, and, being subject to the same laws of physics, create a high degree of what our reality IS. But there's still the matter of different vantage points, both physical and belief-oriented, from which individuals draw their general and specific perceptions, and so, conclusions, of reality.

val70 · 51-55

@PhoenixPhail The many realities, or rather the many sorts of reality, if one can't come to a definite conclusion to the poundering of what it is.

PhoenixPhail · M

@val70 I think I get what you're saying. Although, I'm having some trouble understanding your incomplete sentence.

val70 · 51-55

@PhoenixPhail Try writing in your fourth language, matie :)

PhoenixPhail · M

@val70 In that case, you're doing very well. 😊