See, the s makes it plural.

@DeWayfarer what? No.

Jewish people and Persians aren't historic enemies. Cyrus the Great actually gave Jewish people equal rights and the right to return to their homes.

@basilfawlty89 I could go back to Egyptians and Sumerians 5 and 6 thousand years ago!

Look up the stories about of Moses and Noah!

@DeWayfarer who still aren't Persian.
You're comparing two entirely different people.

It's like comparing Greeks and Swedes.
It makes no sense.

@basilfawlty89 No I am not. They are all intermixed.

That's exactly what constant war does!

If you think rape doesn't happen in war, then you are ignorant of any war!

My own mother was raped in WWII!

Same thing happened in Korea and Vietnam as well as Russia and Ukraine!

War IS UGLY!

And it always has been ugly!

@DeWayfarer no, they literally aren't.

Persian culture is entirely different from Arabic culture. Different food, different language family, different folkore.

Iranians didn't even used to be Muslim, they were Zoroastrians.

@basilfawlty89 THEY ALL ARE MIXED! There's simply no way around this!

Study at least Assyrian culture if not Sumerian culture. Your talking thousands of years after either one with Zoroastrianism which is 6th century BCE at the earliest! And I'm talking 4000 to 5000 BCE!

King David of the Hebrews was even earlier than Zoroastrianism at 1000 BCE to be exact!

Biblically the Assyrians where the Canaanites! 4000 BCE of Moses times.

@DeWayfarer which is great, but irrelevant. Everyone is mixed to some degree.
Still doesn't mean Persians are Arab.

@basilfawlty89 Very relevant because the Canaanites were the one's that sent the jews to Egypt as slaves. Read the story of Moses! Even the Islamic people believe that story! Moses is a prophet of theirs. So was Noah, who warned the Babylonians (Sumerians) of the flood.

They are all mixed! And not just in a minor way!

The Canaanites (Assyrians) were the great grandchildren of Noah! The bad apples some might say.

Your Persia was Sumerians!

@DeWayfarer cool.

I don't however take Bronze Sea Scrolls to seriously against modern science.

Sumerians were in Southern Iraq, not Iran.
Assyrians, Arabs and Hebrews speak Semitic languages. Persian is Indo-European. Ancient Persians had more in common within Ancient North India than the Levant.

@basilfawlty89 The extant of Sumeria went all the way to Iran. The extent of the Assyrians was all the way north to now Afghanistan. The extent of the Canaanites was the same as King David of Israel! All the way north to Turkey.

They are all mixed!

@DeWayfarer if you think Jewish people aren't mixed, then you might also believe that I'm a 300 year old Samurai.

@basilfawlty89 None of you are not mixed! Absolutely none!

@DeWayfarer where did I claim no one was unmixed? i just said everyone is mixed earlier.

@basilfawlty89

@DeWayfarer it doesn't, because while culture doesn't exist in a vacuum, Persians still aren't Arabs same as Japanese aren't Han Chinese

@basilfawlty89 Japanese ARE from China though. They could come from no where else!

BTW look up the origins of Shintoism! You will find it comes from Chinese Buddhism!

@DeWayfarer yeah like how many millenia ago? Europeans came from Africa, Central Asia and Anatolia. Does that mean Europeans are now Ethiopian, Turkic and Hittite?

@basilfawlty89 Buddhism is not even as old as Jewish by half as long. It's origins are in Hinduism, 500 BCE BTW. Which again isn't older than the Jewish people! The only two older than Jewish cultures are Egyptian and Sumerians!

And even then the Sumerians were taking Egyptian slaves!

@basilfawlty89 @DeWayfarer Guys!! Sheesh! Of course everyone is mixed. We all originate from Africa and have mixed ever since. Completely irrelevant to whether Persian language, history, and culture is indisguishable versus distinct from Arab language, history, and culture. Persians and Arabs are two distinct peoples by every measure that counts. And if you don't believe me, just go to any place where one or the other hangs out and intentionally mis-identify them.

The bottom line is that Israel/Judea and Iran/Persia are not multi-thousand year enemies as so many others in that region are. This conflict is much younger.

@sarabee1995 This is a religious war! And has been for thousands of years. The religion doesn't matter is my point!

Iran is out for the destruction of Israel. It's even in their constitution.

https://www.memri.org/reports/israels-eradication-%E2%80%93-ideological-and-practical-goal-irans-islamic-revolution-regime

Israel wants the kingdom of David back. It's apart of their belief system. Friom 1000 BCE

It's simple as that!

Israel claims that genocide is wanted and Palestine and Iran is claiming the same.

Yet genocide isn't possible. They are all genetically the same people! They are NOT DISTINCT! They are mixed!

You can't say one thing and then the other. They are mixed!

The cultures are not the DNA of the people! The religions are not the DNA of the people.

Genocide applies to the race! Like extinction applies to species of animals.

@DeWayfarer First, the current religion dominant in Iran (Islam) is a very young religion. It has not even existed for "thousands of years". It is about 1400 years old.

So, if this is a religious war (Islam vs Judaism) then it is at most 1400 years (not thousands) of years old.

Next, regarding DNA and mixing of races, of course we all have common origins and, therefore, are all mixed. However, people do evolve and races have diverged within the mosaic of humanity. The people of the Middle East (Jews & Arabs) are, indeed, genetically all one people. However, Persians are not from the Middle East. They are much more closely related genetically to the people of the Caucasus and to South Asians.

The original disagreement that you and @basilfawlty89 had was about the confusion between Persians and Arabs and whether they were the same or different. There is a multi-thousand year conflict between Jews and Arabs because they have occupied the same or bordering regions within the Middle East for millennia. But there is not such a long standing dispute between Jews and Persians. That dispute is MUCH younger.

I hope that makes sense.

@sarabee1995 I stated...


... for a reason! This is the problem of ALL organized religions. Every single one from the beginning of time! The fanaticism is in ALL organized religions! How old the religion is simply doesn't matter!

Faith is not evidence!

The wars have not stopped! It's inherent in all ORGANIZED religions!

It's the fanaticism of faith that causes these unending wars.

Your other argument about it not being long withstanding is irrelevant for the very same reasons!

It's still organized religion! It's still the fanaticism of faith!

Look at the bigger picture. You're looking at the trees and not the forest which is on fire!

@DeWayfarer I mentioned the age of the religion simply because YOU said this was a religious war and that it was a conflict thousands of years old (it cannot be both when one of the religions is among the world's youngest).

I did not bring religion into the discussion. You did.

@DeWayfarer
It does not.
Genocide refere to the mass murder of an ethnic group with the goal of wiping then out wholly or in part.

Hutus and Tutsis are the same race.
Doesn't change that Hutus committed genocide on the Tutsis in Rwanda.

@basilfawlty89 Tell it to those killing in the Gaza strip when they complain of genocide!

They are the same DNA and they are using that same DNA excuse with the TWELVE tribes!