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Uvalde Shooter

I've read so many false premises I figured I would fill in the knowledge gaps with what I have learned about Salvador Ramos, age 18, murderer of 19 children and 2 teachers. I learned all this from listening to the news.

His mother is a drug addict. She is still alive, and lives in a second house owned by the grandmother, who is trying to evict her for non payment of rent.

His father is completely absent. No one knows where he is.

Abandoned by both parents, he was being raised by his grandmother and still lived with her. He was no longer in school.

He was deeply, deeply troubled, and people who knew him described him as a loner, which is a warning sign in troubled kids. People who tried to befriend him quickly unfriended him because he would say shocking things and was so "out there". He was known to cut himself. He cut up his own FACE and told people it was for fun.

His grandmother is still alive and in serious condition, and if she survives she will be able to provide more information about WHY he started shooting.

The fact that Salvador was age 18 and was no longer in school would have made it almost impossible to commit him for treatment under any existing red flag law for students.
Heartlander · 80-89, M
One thing that I have yet to see publicized is the toxicology report to show what drugs mass shooters had taken. Considering what else may have been going on in his and other mass shooters' lives, it would be easy to assume that the kids were also doing drugs.

By narrowing he information released to the public, it's easier for the government in power to manage the talking points to suit there political agendas. I would hope that reporters would prod for information.

A big question is why is it always males? What are we doing to male childred, or not doing, that may prime them to randomly murder masses of people? Could it be video games where the winner is the one that kills the most people? Lack of father figures? Bullying? Girls don't do this. Why boys?
4meAndyou · F
@Heartlander I have no answers for you, except to say that the guns probably impart a false macho image and a temporary feeling of power.
Bluesky1962 · 61-69, M
schools may need to resort to TSA'S like they have in federal buildings and airports,,,,it would be a costly solution,
4meAndyou · F
@Bluesky1962 27 new laws have been passed in Texas, but I think some of them were optional.
Bluesky1962 · 61-69, M
@4meAndyou it would have to depend on the district and how much money they are willing to spend,
fanuc2013 · 51-55, F
@Bluesky1962 Better to have a costly solution that works, rather than passing more gun control laws that don't.
SW-User
It is all so tragic I find it hard to read the news
4meAndyou · F
@SW-User I agree. Just watching the parents and grandparents faces...their eyes so full of such deep pain...makes me start crying for them.
SW-User
The kid had a friend who said he was fine up to a certain age and then obviously things that happened to him broke his mind. I wonder what would have happened if he had had some help @4meAndyou
4meAndyou · F
@SW-User If the mother was a drug addict, and the grandmother was in the process of evicting her out onto the street, and the father had disappeared, we can assume that the grandmother passed down some toxic genes, and so did both parents. I don't think there was eve ONE person in his life that was paying any attention to anyone but themselves. He didn't have a chance.
SW-User
It's a failure in and of society way beyond parental and familial neglect.
And that is a sad thing, what someone's life can be and is the truth of so many.

I'm still not sure why someone has to kill innocent children along the way. To me, that's not excusable.
SW-User
@SW-User there's absolutely no excuse for killing innocent kids and people in general
4meAndyou · F
@SW-User The governor was there this afternoon, trying to give help and support to all the families, and he asked the police and border patrol what they felt was the greatest thing that community was lacking, that might have led to this, and they all said, "Adequate mental health facilities".

Apparently in the town of Uvalde if you need mental health care you have to drive to San Antonio, 40 miles away, and 40 miles back. A sick kid without parental support of ANY kind, only a grandmother, (and who knows whether or not she was kind or nasty or helpful or supportive? I don't.), would not be able to get to San Antonio and back by himself.

That led to a discussion of mental illness vs evil...and how you can call someone who is mentally ill evil...and the answer was....anyone who decides to shoot their grandmother in the face and then goes off intentionally, planning to shoot little innocent school children...is evil.
TheWildEcho · 56-60, M
Yes it's tragic that people live such sad lives but I'll never understand why in America people like him should be able to access guns so easily
4meAndyou · F
@TheWildEcho He was not reported as having mental health problems...largely because he was NEVER treated. That means he was not on any sort of red flag list when he went to buy guns and ammo.
SW-User
Childhood neglect is a serious issue. God Is honestly the only reason I have never seen the inside of a jail cell and still alive. I had a very messed up start in life and it's only by a miracle that it never escalated. I grew up around violence, I was introduced to sex before I even understood what it was, I was neglected, I was righting suicide notes by 13/14 and, I tried to off myself all before the age of 18. There was a time I absolutely hated the world and everything in it. The one good thing I can say my dad did is put his gun in a safe
ByronTheRefinedMan · 100+, M
Perhaps, you. could borrow my Potato, Jerusalem artichoke and Swedish Turnip shooters. I have got many of them.

 
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