You are passing moral judgment on Christians. Why do you think you are qualified to do so? Christians are all practitioners of the faith. You give them a failing grade. Are you a Christian, one of the practitioner of Christianity, or are you the teacher of the faith? By teacher, I don't mean a pastor. I mean Jesus Christ, the living God.
@sree251 im an atheist who bases ones incredibly limited views on Christianity on What Jesus supposedly stood for which was to love thy neighbour as yourself. Treat others how you would want to be treated and to not judge anybody
im an atheist who bases ones incredibly limited views on Christianity on What Jesus supposedly stood for which was to love thy neighbour as yourself. Treat others how you would want to be treated and to not judge anybody
There is a fundamental difference between a believer and a non-believer of a religious faith. I am a lapsed Catholic. This means that I was a believer but no longer practice the faith because I lost it. In a way, I am like you, an outsider, but I am not an atheist which is also a believer (in anti-theism).
Yours is the mindset of an anti-theist (aka atheist). You judge everybody's ethical conduct thru your own ethnocentric lens. You are calling out Christians the way Americans call out Haitian for eating cats.
@sree251 im not pretending to understand the religion as a whole. Im confused by those who don't seem to adhere to what I understood jesus teachings to be
im an atheist who bases ones incredibly limited views on Christianity on What Jesus supposedly stood for which was to love thy neighbour as yourself. Treat others how you would want to be treated and to not judge anybody
The Jesus character was basically a Jim Crow racist who only considered fellow Jews to be his neighbors. He told his apostles to avoid all non-Jews. So much for being loving.
Everybody is born an atheist... why do you think that is some way unnatural?
Atheism is a state of resentment
I cannot work out what you're trying to say there. Do you think I'm passively drifting through life or something? On the contrary, I make every effort to be mistress of my own life. Of course, that's not always possible, but when something is unavoidable I don't whimper about it... I adjust accordingly.
Is Jack, the pumping king, a lich? You may not realize it, but we do animate our bodies from the moment we rise from sleep. We are lichs.
May I gently direct your attention to 1 Corinthians chapter 15? https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20corinthians%2015&version=ERV
Please take a few minutes and read the entire chapter, paying special attention to verses 12-19 =https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%2015%3A12-19&version=ERV
Everybody is born an atheist... why do you think that is some way unnatural?
You are confusing the person with the body. It is the body that gets born. The body is animated by the person that gradually materializes later. Disbelieve is as much an act of faith as belief.
I cannot work out what you're trying to say there. Do you think I'm passively drifting through life or something? On the contrary, I make every effort to be mistress of my own life. Of course, that's not always possible, but when something is unavoidable I don't whimper about it... I adjust accordingly.
Being a mistress of your own life is a reaction to disorder, a struggle to exert control and attain order. What you achieve is the opposite of disorder. Is beauty the opposite of ugliness?
Sorry, my friend. I am averse to the Christian Bible. The entire book is the collection of Jewish scripture.
That's well and good but it is still very important to understand it so that you won't be fooled by conmen and silly Hollywood movies.
The more secular books, such as Proverbs and the Apocrypha, do contain some good timeless advice that can be very beneficial to everyone. The more religious books are junky but the writers did do an excellent job of using the stories to illustrate the real Ten Commandments, not the fake ones that people like. The writers also included countless clues to show that it was all an elaborate hoax.
If the Bible upsets you then stay away from the Jewish Babylonian Talmud, because that will really gag you. http://www.come-and-hear.com/talmud/index.html
Ok, I hear your plea. Just cite me one passage that you think is worth looking at and we can discuss its merit.
IMO, the very best advice parents can ever give their kids is found in Proverbs 1:8-19 (ERV) = "Advice to a Son 8 My son,[a] listen to your father when he corrects you, and don’t ignore what your mother teaches you. 9 What you learn from your parents will bring you honor and respect, like a crown or a gold medal.[b]
10 My son, those who love to do wrong will try to trick you. Don’t listen to them. 11 They will say, “Come with us. Let’s hide and beat to death anyone who happens to walk by. 12 We will swallow them whole, as the grave swallows the dying. 13 We will take everything they have and fill our houses with stolen goods. 14 So join us, and you can share everything we get.”
15 My son, don’t follow them. Don’t even take the first step along that path. 16 They run to do something evil, and they cannot wait to kill someone.
17 You cannot trap birds with a net if they see you spreading it out. 18 But evil people cannot see the trap they set for themselves. 19 This is what happens to those who are greedy. Whatever they get destroys them."
Notice that this passage is secular advice and has nothing to do with religion. Can you imagine how much less crime there might be if parents taught their kids that passage?
The books of Wisdom and Sirach also contain timeless advice that everyone can benefit from. They are light on the religion.
The books of Wisdom and Sirach also contain timeless advice that everyone can benefit from. They are light on the religion.
I find the advice in those books troubling. It's a study of slyness, cunning, the art of deceit and scheming. Just as Sun Tzu's art of war is required reading at West Point, the US military academy, Proverbs would be the CIA's handbook for training of spies. It is no wonder that the Mossad is the most lethal intelligence agency in the world. The study of evil for self defense is the way of the devil. This has nothing to do with morality. No wonder the foreign policy of the US Government has led us down the road to perdition.
Jesus' teaching is about being good. Goodness has nothing to do with evil. Turn your other cheek to those who strike you turns Jewish wisdom on its head. It is not advice for self defense, nor is it a tactic for survival living in a world of shysters.
Did Jesus promise the guys who crucified him that they would get into the golden cube? If he didn't then he was just a BS'er.
The gospels that chronicled Jesus' ministry were written by Jews who followed him. They were apostate Jews raised in Judaism. They believed Jesus was their Messiah and theism was their theology. Their story of Jesus was written in that vein. To his Jewish disciples, Jesus was not God. The religion of Christianity evolved therefrom thru time and developed its own theology with the deification of Jesus.
Your question is not serious and does not merit an answer from me.
@sree251 The guys who crucified Jesus should be celebrated as heroes who did the will of God. After all, the God character came up with the bright idea that he would transform his son into a human and eventually sacrifice him to himself so that people would be forgiven their sins if they believed in Jesus.
So who did the will of God more than the guys who crucified him? It resulted in a religion that convinced billions of people over the ages that the fairytale is true. Therefore, when people pray it might be a good idea if they express goodwill and thankfullness for the peple who crucified Jesus. After all, their souls will be saved as a result of their actions.
One thing that should be of concern is that the Jesus character really loves for people to get killed for their faith in him. He won't return until a magic number of people have been killed for their faith in him. Isn't he a wonderful guy? Imagine being the magic number of victims and as soon as you die the Jesus character appears to the world's population.
@Diotrephes To be honest I always wondered why an all loving God didn't just forgive Adam and Eve..thus avoiding billions of people suffering down the (6000) years since creation.
To be honest I always wondered why an all loving God didn't just forgive Adam and Eve..thus avoiding billions of people suffering down the (6000) years since creation.
The scriptural story is not literal but a clever depiction of human nature. The trouble with you atheists is that you seize upon anything that gives you a club to vent.
