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Atenism was NOT the first monotheistic religion?

People say that when the pharoh Akhenaten said to only worship the Egyptian God Aten, it was the birth of monotheism. I have literally read world history text books that say this. But I think this is false. Monotheism is beliving there is only one God, but I don't think atenism made this claim, rather it just made the claim that Aten was the only God worth worshipping. I think monotheism started with with the Abrahamic faith or with Zoroastrianism.
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OogieBoogie · F Best Comment
Forgive me, i cant tell a short story 🙄😏

Akenhaten was originally known as Amehotep.
Egyptian rulers were meant to be the personification of their gods on earth .

So religion ruled . As it mostly always had .


But there became a power struggle between the clerics and priests .... and the King.

You see writing was considered sacred. It was handed down by the gods to their trusted priests.
The priests held the knowledge from the gods .

When the gods decided to hand over management of mankind to thier halfbreed offspring, they made them kings in their name - and the priests were supposed to work for the king.

But ....humans are greedy little fuckers 😏

In Egypt, more and more were the priests overstepping their powers and place .
This threatened the King, so eventually he cancelled all other gods, had their names erased of temples and instated his own - moved cities and bulit a new centre of Egypt ....out in the boondocks .

But you have to remember he was like 14th? 18th or something dynasty - he was prolly a spoilt little brat who wanted everything his own way .
He ASSUMED coz he was king - he knew everything.
He literally took himself to be god personified.

He wasnt
He didn't.

Egyptian economy crashed, people starved . He took all the monies from the cleric stores and wasted it on his new city while Egypt fell apart.

He ruled as Atum, the one amd only god , and took control off the clerics.

His monotheistic relgion was more about him, and singular control than any spiritual awakening.


Please excuse if i got or spelt names wrong -.its not easy remembering all this stuff, fascinating as it all is .
BRUUH · VIP
@OogieBoogie Thanks for the info <3

SatanBurger · 36-40, F
Humanity has been around for a long time, before written anything. I'm willing to bet that there's more out there that we don't even know. I mean so many civilizations lost, that's what I think anyways. I also think that half of history is written by victors and probably half way right and wrong at the same time.
BRUUH · VIP
@SatanBurger True, there's really no telling what the first monotheistic religion was.

Funny tho, cause on technicality you could argue that Hinduism was. The Aghor Stone was the oldest religious artifact we have to date, which was associated with shaktism. Since Shakti is the divine feminine cosic energy that underlies everything, this would mean that human and the pantheon of hindu Gods are just eminations of it. Thus, the first worship of the divine feminine as the one true source of creation is the oldest we have traces of.
@BRUUH i dunno Gobekli tepe is 1200 years old , and im pretty sure there are temples that they have found are waaya older that that.

Even the mayans and aztecs didn't know who origically built some of their cities .... they just discovered them.

And what is even more amazing is, there is a period of incredibly early civilization around the world - that shows stone building amd sculpting that is beyond all others since (and that we can't recreate today). It depicts building technology we cant recreate or achieve today.
Were they built by God/gods?

The Sphinx is even being redated due to re-examimation of geological errosion evidence that it might be older than the flood of the younger dryas....12500 years old .

I agree with @SatanBurger ....we are yet to know enough to make any clear findings of our true history.
And that history IS written by the victors, or successors.

Who is to know where and how the OT came from , or how. All we know is that we have older tablets that tell some similar stories, and archeological evidence that some stories are true -.and correlate.... and that some dont .
JimboSaturn · 56-60, M
Actually at first Abrahamic religions were not monotheistic, like Aten, they believed the Yahweh was the only god worth worshiping hence the the first commandment. I am your God you shall have no other Gods before me. It doesn't say, I'm the only God. Monotheism came later to the semitic people.
@BRUUH ... @JimboSaturn is correct.
Modern Bibles use the word 'God' , but its translated from 'Elohim' - which is a masc. plural of 'El' - roughly meaning 'one who judges, elevated one'
Its like how seraphim is a plural of seraph.

Thus, when the Elohim said stuff like "we shall make him in our image"....it makes complete sense.

More interestingly, many old testament stories in the Bible have been gathered and amalgamated from older Mesopotamic, Sumerian and Akkadian tablets about their gods and creation;
- The home of the Eden, and the creation of the Adamu
- The flood story and Ziusudra and the ark.

Many polytheistic religions evolved into monotheistic. Sometimes, (like in Egypt, or ancient Sumer, or Roman times) - it wasnt unusual for a God to govern an percinct or city.
Each of the Gods had their own domain to rule over.

(This supposedly was an evolution between the gods, as power struggles started to break our, so domains were allocated)

Thus many ancient religious stories are attributed to a multiple of different gods, as they would have been told honoring the god of the area the story spread into .
So although there was a Pantheon of gods, particular peoples would only pray to the god that specifically looked after them.

What also makes it even more confusing is - gods live for a flipping long time - potentially eternal - man isnt .
So some gods from ancient religions made it into newer ones, or be came gods of Many religions like the sumerian god Enki is also supposedly known as Shiva, and Ptah (and also Thoth): gods of creation, and wisdom and knowledge respectively. Hes also known as Quetzalcoatl and suposedly the snake/god that gave wisdom in the Bible to Adam.

It all gets very confusing, as many ancient names were designations - so gods could have a multitide of names for their multitude of gifts they governed for mankind -.ie: wisdom, farming, knowledge, writing, love, war, etc.
Just like the Christian angels - their names were their appointments or designations:
( Take note of the syntax "iel" - its literally "i El" - "of God"......eg:
Uriel (Ur i El) = light of God
Azrael (Azriel - Azra i El) = retribution of God
etc ...
Notice how they use El, not Elohim - these were the warriors or messengers of the gods.
And each god had their own army so to speak.

Ugh....im going on and on.
I love this stuff. Ancient religions are spookily more connected than we think - similar gods, similar stories, even similar imagery :
Like the snake - its connected to wisdom over and over again , from the Mayans to China, from Sumer to the Bible.
BRUUH · VIP
@OogieBoogie I'm aware of that fact but I still can't get behind it as canon. The reason is because Aramaic is a dead language, and the Aramaic used when the OT was written was even different than the aramaic used by Jews in the time of Christ. We are speaking English in 2024, and are still debating the use of "they" as singular or plural. I can't say for certain that this translation means multiple people, especially when if you just read the bible stories outright, it's clearly describing one entity, named either Jehova or Yahweh (or whatevs), doing things as the only diety.

It's ok if you "go on and on". I like hearing your thoughts on things. You're a really cool user and i'm glad you contribute on any post you contribute to.
@BRUUH thats interesting, coz i see it as the Bible comments a few times to evidence of other gods .
As in "thou shalt have no other gods before me" and "I am a jealous god".
Why would He be jealous if the other gods were false and didn't exist?

There is a theory that God/gods are spiritual beings of light or energy or something. And that although they can manifest in human form and imbibe human pleasures such as food, sex etc, they possibly survive or thrive off spiritual energy .

So the more belief in them, the greater their power so to speak .

As to meaning - i only repeated what i have learnt from scholar Mauro Biglino who's profession it is to translate the bible for the Vatican.

I know the bible has been modernised for easier comprehension - but the thing is - if the translations arent correct in the first place - than all renditions since are incorrect.

Even Mauro explains that he has a huge tomb of a dictionary that is used for reference - as biblical scholars are presented with words that have multiple possible meanings - and there is still argument over what passages actually mean .
There has been massive amounts of artistic and theistic licence used in the Bible over the centuries....alterations, changes, elimintarions, and restructuring.

Humanity is still not at a point of knowing enough, to successfully fully translate and cross reference, with pure objectivity this phenomenal book.

But then...it still gets its main idea across - and THAT'S the point .
One is supposed to read it and have ones heart filled with the deeper meaning and love of the almighty .... and each other.

Plus it doesnt matter who or if there are other deities - we choose where to put our beliefs 🤗
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Tenshi · 22-25
zoroastrianism is kind of ditheisitic

 
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