PSA: There's no such thing as an "Agnostic". You are either a Theist or an Atheist. You either believe that a god exists or you don't. It's binary.
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ViciDraco · 41-45, M
Disagree. Agnostic is a claim to knowledge, not belief.
An agnostic theist says i do not know if there is a god but i believe there is.
An agnostic atheist says i do not know if there is a god and i do not believe there is one.
Saying agnostic to claim you are undecided is a common misuse of the term.
Rationally speaking, everyone is agnostic which rather renders the term pointless. Because nobody knows for sure and anyone that claims to is probably dishonest or crazy.
An agnostic theist says i do not know if there is a god but i believe there is.
An agnostic atheist says i do not know if there is a god and i do not believe there is one.
Saying agnostic to claim you are undecided is a common misuse of the term.
Rationally speaking, everyone is agnostic which rather renders the term pointless. Because nobody knows for sure and anyone that claims to is probably dishonest or crazy.
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
@ViciDraco You made that up, didn't you? The actual definiton:
"Agnostic - a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God."
Everything added beyond that about theist agnostic, atheists agnostics, wolverine agnostic, whatever, is just made up to fit into a person's personal POV.
"Agnostic - a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God."
Everything added beyond that about theist agnostic, atheists agnostics, wolverine agnostic, whatever, is just made up to fit into a person's personal POV.
ViciDraco · 41-45, M
@ChipmunkErnie I did not make it up. It is the logical definition of the word.
Gnostic comes from the Greek and Latin words for knowledge. Thus Agnostic is without knowledge.
Simple use of word modification through defined prefixes.
History and Etymology for gnostic
Late Latin gnosticus, from Greek gnōstikos of knowledge, from gignōskein
Late Latin gnosticus, from Greek gnōstikos of knowledge, from gignōskein
Gnostic comes from the Greek and Latin words for knowledge. Thus Agnostic is without knowledge.
Simple use of word modification through defined prefixes.
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
@ViciDraco Over-simplification does not make a point. Knowledge of what? How to cook a pizza? The Gnostics were a specifc religion and, yes, they derived their name from a word meaning "knowlege", but saying "knowlege" does not explain their beliefs. And a full earch into the origins of them term shows it id nowhere as simple as the English word knowlege.
gnostic (adj.):
"relating to knowledge," especially mystical or esoteric knowledge of spiritual things, 1650s, from Greek gnōstikos "knowing, good at knowing, able to discern," from gnōstos "known, perceived, understood," earlier gnōtos, from gignōskein "learn to know, come to know, perceive; discern, distinguish; observe, form a judgment," from PIE *gi-gno-sko-, reduplicated and suffixed form of root *gno- "to know."
gnostic (adj.):
"relating to knowledge," especially mystical or esoteric knowledge of spiritual things, 1650s, from Greek gnōstikos "knowing, good at knowing, able to discern," from gnōstos "known, perceived, understood," earlier gnōtos, from gignōskein "learn to know, come to know, perceive; discern, distinguish; observe, form a judgment," from PIE *gi-gno-sko-, reduplicated and suffixed form of root *gno- "to know."