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Right to prayer? ... am i missing something?

This is for all religions right?

And it also allows for non-believers to be excused, right?

So why is it an issue?

I went to a religious school but was excused from all religious assemblies. I had no issue with those wanting to pray and would sometimes go to the assembly.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
The US has always had a lot of intense pressure to make schools pseudo-religious institutions with regular mandated prayer so there's been a "not one drop" approach to separation of church and state.

Like this isn't someone randomly praying privately to himself people do that in schools all the time. This is a school leader in the middle of the football field in a public ritual.

Is the school praying or is he?

And if it's just his private business, would the response be identical if he was a Muslim? Would the school feel just as comfortable with him representing them?

Legally it should be the same thing. We all know that politically it would not.
@CountScrofula thank you, that seems to make sense. I forgot about the separation of state and church
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@InOtterWords Yeah. The prayer itself, frankly, isn't a problem. It's the bigger political battle that it's become central to that matters.
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
I don’t see a problem. In first grade we walked to the cafeteria and got our food tray and sat down together and the teacher prayed a very short prayer giving thanks for our food. I don’t see where that hurt anyone and it made us more self-aware of not taking our food for granted. So much is taken for granted these days and when there is a shortage or whatever the damned grumbling begins.
AnonymousJSS · 22-25, F
KEEP RELIGION OUT OF SCHOOLS. It’s all just child abuse and indoctrination.
BlueVeins · 22-25
@Mountainlady16 Yeah, it always comes back to controlling other women's vaginas with you religious nuts, doesn't it?
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AnonymousJSS · 22-25, F
@Mountainlady16 Wasn’t your son conceived when you were underage and drunk? Yeah, pretty disgusting for a religitard if you ask me. Both of those things are “sins” you hypocrite.
BlueVeins · 22-25
Not publicly while acting in one's role in the service of the state. Funding a school where the teacher leads the kids in prayer isn't substantively different from just funding a religious school.
Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F
@BlueVeins from my understanding he wasnt leading anyone in prayer
BlueVeins · 22-25
@Mountainlady16 It was right on the 50 yard line & he gave religious speeches.
Classified · M
What is going on?
Not having the right to pray sounds like something from a nation where religion is suppressed.
And I'm used to that people can join in prayer voluntarily whether they believe or not.
Classified · M
@InOtterWords That doesn't sound intrusive
@Classified no, i didn't think so....but on further reading some parents have said that their children felt pressurise to to join i. In prayer.
Classified · M
@InOtterWords I guess that's difficult to verify if we weren't there. There shouldn't be any pressure.
JesseInTX · 51-55, M
The case in question was a high school football coach who was fired for praying on the 50 yard line after games. No students/players were forced to join him. They school in question felt since he was “in view” of students it violated the Firat Amendment Establishment Clause.
Harmonium1923 · 51-55, M
It’s a long-standing debate in the US where the establishment clause of the first amendment prohibits the establishment of a state religion. Compulsory prayer or religious activity in schools has generally been found to violate that. But what’s less clear is whether schools can or should facilitate non-compulsory but clearly expected prayer by students—like a coach telling all team members to participate because it’s good teamwork.

That’s the general issue. I’m not familiar with the current case TBH.
SW-User
In my part of the Bible Belt.. students can pray in a public school
It shouldn’t be led by a staff member though.
My school has a prayer room for Muslim students.
It doesn’t involve staff at all ..
As soon as we allow adults in the mix” leading”
It sets one religion above another..



The separation of church and state is showing cracks today…
SW-User
@InOtterWords it should go to the earths core.

Being in the 1st amendment..it’s a big deal..I would guess
@SW-User so then, to repeat a question i asked someone else on this post, is the country's motto "in god we trust"
SW-User
@InOtterWords that phrase was stuck on the coins in the 1950s

Few of the “founding fathers” were Christian.

Now the crazy pilgrims…were another story..but they didn’t want religious freedom for everyone..
GermanAf · 26-30, M
The issue is that some people see a hijab and get nervous.

People are stupid
Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F
Attack on prayer and religious clubs in schools is one the main reasons I will not teach at nor will my children attend public school. My kids attend a Christian school ran by my church and I'm going to be teaching there come august
Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F
@Emosaur how's that
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Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F
@Emosaur my children are taken care of
No idea. if you don't care to pray, don't. its a pretty simple issue in my mind regardless of the religion.
@InOtterWords In God we trust, it's more of a tradition than a truth isn't it. a way to preserve “community” alongside “society. I think this has been a countries motto since the mid 50s?
SatanBurger · 36-40, FVIP
@TwiddlerofThumbs At one point prayer in schools were forced on everyone so people don't want it back.
@SatanBurger forced prayer is not right.everyone should be allowed to opt out if they wish
Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M
Forced public funding of religion is an interesting question.
@Fukfacewillie is that really what will happen though?
Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M
@InOtterWords If it’s a public school it’s happening. Salary, infrastructure, time, endorsement, pressure to comply.
Scribbles · 36-40, F
For some people, if you sinply do anything "in view" of others it infringes on their freedom somehow.
caPnAhab · 26-30, M
I see no issue. Those two things have always been separate for me
rrraksamam · 31-35, M
Who's having an issue?
@rrraksamam many are
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LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@MalteseFalconPunch A moment of undirected silence is one thing...
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No it's not for all religions. It's just another blow to the separation of church and state. If these were Satanists instead of Christians the case would have came out the opposite.
@canusernamebemyusername why is it not for all religions?
RedBaron · M
Who says it's an issue?
RedBaron · M
@InOtterWords Not that I have heard. People pray if they wish to, or they don't if they don't. Nobody is forcing anything down anyone's throat.
@RedBaron if it is not an issue why is it such a big news item?
RedBaron · M
@InOtterWords Because there are too many media outlets and people, and they all need to talk about something to justify their existence.
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
What are you asking?
@Roadsterrider everyone else got it
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
You're not missing anything. It's supposed to be for all religions, but many Christians make the assumption that it's just for them.
SatanBurger · 36-40, FVIP
@LordShadowfire The Abrahamic faiths usually just assume the world revolves around them.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@SatanBurger Which I think is hilarious. The Gospels contain a perfect description of some of our modern Christian friends, and it is not flattering.
Bang5luts · M
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@Emosaur that is a bit extreme, we have all learnt from Hitler i think.

 
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