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I think I'm done dating Irish/English girls.

Now when I say Irish English, I am referring to women who are over 33% Irish and/or English. My reasoning here from data from dating complied is:

1. I am of a more "romantic" and "warm" European ancestry. Think French, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Greek. Irish/English girls are not "warm and fuzzy", or romantic from my experience. Very stoic, and more standoffish especially when it comes to physical touch. Also the personality is far less flirty than that of the more "romantic" Euro ethnicities. This is a direct conflict with how I approach dating, which is romantic and breaking the touch barrier early. I cannot figure Irish/English women out and how to progress anything with them because it seems the expectations are different. This makes any date with an Irish/English girl feel platonic... and it goes NOWHERE.

2. With Italian/Greek/French/German/Portuguese/Arabic girls, my success rate is 80% for a second date and 70% for a relationship. With a girl who is over 33% English/Irish, my success rate for a second date is 5% and my success rate for a relationship is 1%.

3. They seem to have much more of an "independence" mindset. This goes from being kicked out at 18 and paving their path from there, into not "needing" a romantic partner. This conflicts with many other (including my), Euro ancestry, which typically stay with their parents longer, and are less afraid of being in a committed arrangement with a partner.

I just don't understand what Irish/English girls expect on a first date. Or why my failure rate is so high with them. Sometimes I think they have a stick up their arse. The worst part is, I am most attracted to Irish/English features (light features). But the personalities are just so... cold. Any input greatly appreciated.
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SW-User
I think you're overthinking it and that's why you are single. We are incredibly simple creatures, you don't need to do all this thinking.
We want wine. We want charcuterie boards. We want intellectual stimulation. We want men.
simple.
ShadowWolf · 31-35, M
@SW-User Intellectual stimulation? Ok, so I went on a date with a mostly Irish girl last weekend. Treated her to breakfast. We talked about everything from medical procedures to quantum physics. Is that not intellectual stimulation?

EDIT: I should also mention I also went on a date with an American English girl on Friday evening. Again talked about everything under the sun, including intellectual things. Got the dreaded text "we aren't the best fit" later than night. So having good intellectual conversation is NOT enough.
SW-User
@ShadowWolf Bro, it's not about being good enough. You're trying way too hard and any woman can smell that like blood in the water.

In sales we call it commission breath.
Be your best self. Go fall in love with being alive. stop trying so damn hard. When you give up, that is when it comes to you. Learn how to love life before you try to love a woman.
ShadowWolf · 31-35, M
@SW-User I appreciate the advice, but I do know how to "love life" I do have my own life outside of any potential relationship. I think the issue is that Irish/English women just don't appreciate guy who makes an actual effort and also shows any type of feeling, or touch, or anything. Which is how I operate when it comes to dating. My only real failures with dating come from going on dates with people from or with ancestries from the British Isles (damn myself for being most attracted to blonde/red hair and blue/green eyes).
In Italian culture, we are warm, caring, and bold. It seems this is very offputting to British women. Who seem cold, distant, and emotionally unavailable. This even translates to my parental situation. Mom Italian, dad British. Mom pissed at dad for being so uncaring, emotionally unavailable and cold. It's a cultural thing it appears.
helsbels · 26-30, F
@ShadowWolf Maybe you've partly projected your expectations on them right at the start which can't help.
ShadowWolf · 31-35, M
@helsbels The expectations came from at least 25 failed first dates with specifically British Isles women over time. I guess let me give some more concrete examples to illustrate what I'm trying to say here. For this scenario, I will take a general interaction with an Italian, French, or Portuguese girl, and compare it with that of an English Irish girl. Based on my years of experience.

Scenario 1:

Me: *flirts*
Italian/Port/French girl: *Brats back* *Flirts back* *Shows appreciation*
English/Irish girl: *Ignores it and changes conversation* *"That's nice"* *"Ok"*

Scenario 2:

Arm around them in a bar/pub, or in the car.

Italian/Port/French girl: * Grabs my hand*, *kisses me*, *inches closer and cuddles*
English/Irish girl: *Pulls away*, *Does nothing*, * looks uncomfortable*

Scenario 3:

In a conversation about future topics such as kids marriage, weekend getaways etc

Italian/Port/French girl: *Gets really into the planning despite not being serious yet* *Excited*
English/Irish girl: *Changes conversation*, *very coy*, *"sounds nice"*


Three of many scenarios I've seen. But this has been my experience, which has shaped those expectations.