@bearinthebigbluehouse good lord...

@Piper It's certainly true that the dairy industry is similarly cruel, but I'd argue that it's a lot suffering-efficient anyway, so to speak because a smaller number of animals can provide more calories. We've got 32.2 million cows in the US being slaughtered per year versus 121 million hogs and 241.7 million turkeys. I don't think it can be sensibly argued that we consume that much more meat than dairy to account for that gap. That said, I still oppose dairy production -- and perhaps much more importantly, egg production -- for obvious reasons.

@BlueVeins Okay, then. I was, am, speaking as someone who stopped eating meat over half my lifetime ago, but still has not succeeded in resisting certain dairy products, sometimes. I [i]know[/i] that the factory farming dairy industry is at least as cruel, as is most all production of eggs.

The only "suffering-efficient" I can remotely understand, is in an individual or industry at least attempting to [i]lessen[/i] suffering by their choices and actions.

@Piper Well, you've definitely got a point about the eggs. I don't think I could try and make hundreds of millions of chickens getting thrown into the macerator seem any less evil than regular old killin' for pork.

@Piper It has for some, and some of them are my friends. But eating meat in its 'natural' pure state is perfectly healthy. Its the toxins induced processed meats that make people ill. For example China eats more pork annually than any other country on Earth. Yet their country has the longest life expectancy in the world.

@Zonuss I know wrestlers who are vegan and I have no clue where they get their protein from but they somehow stay in shape.

@Zonuss I said simply being a vegetarian does not "make" anyone protein deficient, as you claimed. I said that, because your claim is false. If YOU think you need to eat other animals to get sufficient protein, that is surely your own choice...and [i] business[/i].

@SW-User You used the word "was," as in past tense. Is that no longer the case?

@Terrasworld Yes I eat meat now

@gregloa that's a no?

@Pinto its more fun when you get to eat the whole lot

@SW-User I'm actually a "can I have a taste of that?" person when I eat out! 🤭

@SW-User that was quick lol

@SW-User "Eat the steak Anna-Mae!"

@fortycreek Are you a vegan?

@Terrasworld omg no!my one kid went vegetarian, Im lost as what to make now!