Pretty certain that jordan peterson has never read road to wigan pier.

@SamInAZ excerpt from Maps of Meaning:

*“*My college roommate, an insightful cynic, expressed skepticism regarding my ideological beliefs. He told me that the world could not be completely encapsulated within the boundaries of socialist philosophy. I had more or less come to this conclusion on my own, but had not admitted so much in words. Soon afterward, however, I read George Orwell’s Road to Wigan Pier. This book finally undermined me—not only my socialist ideology, but my faith in ideological stances themselves. In the famous essay concluding that book (written for—and much to the dismay of—the British Left Book Club) Orwell described the great flaw of socialism, and the reason for its frequent failure to attract and maintain democratic power (at least in Britain). Orwell said, essentially, that socialists did not really like the poor. They merely hated the rich. His idea struck home instantly. Socialist ideology served to mask resentment and hatred, bred by failure. Many of the party activists I had encountered were using the ideals of social justice to rationalize their pursuit of personal revenge.”

@Guitarman123 Orwell was pro-social democracy. I think it is a stretch to claim he was pro-socialism. That's why he wrote the books he wrote, criticizing where socialism was going in his view. No doubt that social democracy was inspired in part by marxism...but it isn't really a form of marxism/socialism. It's a capitalistic welfare state type of ideology.

@SamInAZ he was a democratic socialist and openly identified as one. His views were similar to marx but orwell had no time for intellectual socialists

@Guitarman123 Social Democrat...not Democratic Socialist. They aren't the same thing.

@Guitarman123 basically he was a left of center guy.

@SamInAZ Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it. It seems to me nonsense, in a period like our own, to think that one can avoid writing of such subjects. Everyone writes of them in one guise or another. It is simply a question of which side one takes and what approach one follows. And the more one is conscious of one's political bias, the more chance one has of acting politically without sacrificing one's aesthetic and intellectual integrity.

@Guitarman123 oh well if he was, he was not a marxist.

@SamInAZ he wasn't indeed although when he joined the Spanish civil war he joined the Workers' Party of Marxist Unification. He claimed that if he'd had rhe choice he would have fought with the anarchists

@Guitarman123 He was the Tim Pool of his day. Lol
I say that because Tim Pool loves socialist policy ideas, he just hates everyone who advocates for them for ethical & moral reasons.

@SamInAZ he really wasn't. Orwell was a loud vocal supporter of the working class. He wasn't a marxist or anarchist but he was far left

@Guitarman123 nah..not far left, just left of center.

@SamInAZ democratic socialists advocate for common ownership of the means of production